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KapitanKudlaty
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2007 - 06:03 AM UTC
Project of my new dio - inspired by "Enemy at the gates";)




However, in my diorama I changed He 111 for Me 410. This paper (white) airplane tail is just a project, final tail I make from aluminium:

What do you thing about it? I hope you find it nice;)
PS. Could you send me some plans or scheme Me 410 or photos of wreck this or another german bombers? I dont know how to make detail of this destroyed stabilizer Thanks for everything;) Marcin
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2007 - 06:58 AM UTC
Good Idea Marcin and nice work so far. I think the problem with sniper vignettes is that if they really well done you couldn't see the model of the sniper A more natural position for the sniper would, I think, be under the tail plane.


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Could you send me some plans or scheme Me 410 or photos of wreck this or another german bombers? I dont know how to make detail of this destroyed stabilizer



Why don't you ask over on on Aeroscale?
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2007 - 08:04 AM UTC
Great idea ! Keep up good working !
KapitanKudlaty
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2007 - 08:15 AM UTC

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Why don't you ask over on on Aeroscale?


Thanks for your advice, I've been here for not long time, so I don't know where schould I search:)
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2007 - 08:49 AM UTC
That is a very cool idea, the concept is great.
As for the photos - aeroscale is the place. You can also employ a bit of 'gizmology'. That's the beautiful art of making things up. It's nice to do with a destroyed 'thing' just make a frame of sorts that would hold an aluminum skin, bend and wreck the ends. Add a bit of wiring for the allerons. Weather it and go.
What are the plans for the open end of the fusalage? Will it me a 'boarder' cut off or more wrekage? Personally I would opt for the board cut style as you have it now. Just paint the edges black or red to indicate an invisible vertical edge.

Keep us posted.
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2007 - 08:56 AM UTC
That is a great idea for a setting. I think that looks like a HE-111 in the picture. The ME410 had a different cockpit design and engine layout. Hte ME410 wasn't in production until 1943.

If you are looking for good crash picture of He-111's try anything dealing with the Battle of Britian.



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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2007 - 09:03 AM UTC
This a fantastic idea and the execution seems to be going well. What figure are you using?
KapitanKudlaty
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2007 - 09:16 AM UTC
It's figure from kit SOVIET SNIPER TEAM WWII (Zvezda 3597)
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Posted: Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 01:31 PM UTC
i like you idea, who makes the figure ?
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Posted: Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 03:07 PM UTC
I'll be watching this thread. Cool model idea.




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Posted: Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 03:18 PM UTC

Quoted Text

That is a great idea for a setting. I think that looks like a HE-111 in the picture. The ME410 had a different cockpit design and engine layout. Hte ME410 wasn't in production until 1943.

If you are looking for good crash picture of He-111's try anything dealing with the Battle of Britian.






It is definitely a He-111H, but not a good film mockup as it is too short

I love the concept though!

cheers

Mike
KapitanKudlaty
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Posted: Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 07:44 PM UTC




Tail in progress;) Today I'm going to paint it. What do you thing about it? Do you have any advice or observation? Marcin
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Posted: Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 07:52 PM UTC
very nice...i like the set up...aluminiun sheet(sode can?) for drilled out structural frame of the plane.
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Posted: Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 08:46 PM UTC
That is very nice!

Should look excellent with a lick of paint.

cheers

Mike
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Posted: Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 12:24 AM UTC
Nice build, I think it came out well.

One composition comment. I would like to see the 'good' stabalizer tip sitting on the ground, not the wooden frame. When it's up on the frame and being supported by the frame it give the viewer the impression that the frame is 'part of' the diorama and not a 'container'. If you need the height to keep the snipers rifle level, I would suggest elevating it a mm or 2mm over the frame to create just a bit of space.
I hope this makes sense.
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Posted: Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 02:16 AM UTC
Great idea for a simple but good prop for the figure.The one thing that stands out for me is the lower legs of the prone sniper,at the moment they are floating above the wing when they should be resting on it.They need to rest on it to give a relaxed pose to the figure.I would suggest cutting at the knee and adjusting to fit the profile of the wing.The only other suggestion would be to pack things under the legs to loose the airspace beneath.

Steve
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Posted: Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 07:58 AM UTC
I cant wait to see this finished, as Enemy at the Gates is one of my favorite ww2 movies!
David but wernt they under the plane?
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Posted: Monday, August 13, 2007 - 01:09 AM UTC
Very nice work.

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Posted: Monday, August 13, 2007 - 05:43 AM UTC
I agree, I think this would be more realistic if he was underneath the plane.

Great idea though and a really good job at constructing the tailfin, will look great when finished.

Cheers,

James
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Posted: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 12:33 AM UTC
Great project. It looks very good so far.

Looking forward to see more - thanks for sharing
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Posted: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 04:43 AM UTC
coming along real well, cant wait to see the final results.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 11:49 AM UTC
Fantastic idea! Never would have thought about using soda can for shet stock. genius!!

By the by the aircrft is a Siebel Si 204D/Aero C-3A with a single tale made up to lppk like a '111.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 12:22 PM UTC
Marcin,

Your depiction of the Sniper ON the plane is fantastic...the work on the tail is equally fantastic! Cudos!

Regarding the sniper being ON or UNDER the tail; based on your intial picture, unless he were as "thin as a snake," I don't see how he could fit under it!

From a "sniper's" standpoint (no, never was one nor got the training), were he to be UNDER, he'd have only one outlet if the poo hit the fan....out to the open (towards the back of the tail - right) and into the storm. However, were he to be ON the tail, he can move back, to the left, and if necessary, to the right. To the left rear is his greatest chance for escape were he to be "found out." If he was under the wing....well....he'd be meat.

My observations regarding the original pic and the sniper's placement.

Regardless.....seriously AWESOME.

Mike
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Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 10:50 PM UTC
Hi,
I will share with you new photos of my diorama, tail is still in progress, but finish is very close






...and here is a sniper:



About problem "ON or UNDER the tail"- when I projected my dio, I wanted to 'the main object' will be a sniper, not tail of airplane (it is just "framing"),so he must be expose on the tail. But thanks for your all advices;)
(thanks for Grzesiek- he send me essential dokuments of Me 410)
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 12:18 AM UTC
hi
great dio! i really like the aircraft tail. but to ur notes above, though the sniper would look better on the tail he would never have got into such an exposed position, i would put him under it, make people look for him!

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