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Russian king tiger's?
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Posted: Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 08:57 AM UTC
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I don't mean to be an arse about this, but it has been the policy of the U.S. Army since before WW2 to NOT use enemy equipment, for any reason.

Captured and tinkered with behind the lines is one thing. But to be put in use on the front is quite different.[quote]

Not exactly true. It really depends on need. There are MANY documented cases of US Forces in Italy using things like 251's for ambulances on or near the front lines in WWII. 5th Army especially. But Italy was the "forgotten" theatre once D-day was over, so it is more of a special case than the norm. I could see some GI's using a KT until they are either told to "knock it off" by a officer or else until something shoots at them, or until they run out of ammo/fuel etc... or it breaks down.

But given the chance, the US Soldier will use whatever he can get his hands on to do the job until some spit-n-polish type comes along to make them square up.
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Posted: Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 05:21 PM UTC

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I don't mean to be an arse about this, but it has been the policy of the U.S. Army since before WW2 to NOT use enemy equipment, for any reason.

Captured and tinkered with behind the lines is one thing. But to be put in use on the front is quite different.

Not exactly true. It really depends on need. There are MANY documented cases of US Forces in Italy using things like 251's for ambulances on or near the front lines in WWII. 5th Army especially. But Italy was the "forgotten" theatre once D-day was over, so it is more of a special case than the norm. I could see some GI's using a KT until they are either told to "knock it off" by a officer or else until something shoots at them, or until they run out of ammo/fuel etc... or it breaks down.

But given the chance, the US Soldier will use whatever he can get his hands on to do the job until some spit-n-polish type comes along to make them square up.



The tank in the photo broke down within a couple of miles. King Tigers needed to be "babied" by their drivers, and the US crews were used to more robust vehicles. In any case, I don't think there was ever a serious consideration of US troops using it in combat, if only to avoid "Blue of Blue" friendly fire incidents.
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Posted: Monday, March 03, 2008 - 06:24 AM UTC
i read some where that the russian used panthers and the french fielded panthers after the war
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Posted: Monday, March 03, 2008 - 04:25 PM UTC

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i read some where that the russian used panthers and the french fielded panthers after the war


There was an article in the British magazine, Military Modelling, on Russian Panthers published a year or so ago. It included some period photos documenting the model.
The French Army reconditioned enough Panthers to equip two regiments in the immediate postwar period, as they only had Shermans and M36 tank destroyers. With Soviet IS-2 and IS-3 Stalins only a day's drive away on the inter-German border, they wanted something heavier. Once the M47 became available, they could be scrapped.
The British also had 12 new Panthers completed from existing parts so they could be tested against the new Centurion. Some of the preserved Panthers in British museums are from this batch.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 05:40 PM UTC
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Not exactly true. It really depends on need. There are MANY documented cases of US Forces in Italy using things like 251's for ambulances on or near the front lines in WWII. 5th Army especially. But Italy was the "forgotten" theatre once D-day was over, so it is more of a special case than the norm. I could see some GI's using a KT until they are either told to "knock it off" by a officer or else until something shoots at them, or until they run out of ammo/fuel etc... or it breaks down.

But given the chance, the US Soldier will use whatever he can get his hands on to do the job until some spit-n-polish type comes along to make them square up.



More than likely, the lack of spare parts would put captured equipment out of action long before any "spit and polish" types showed up. Some Germans halftracks were used in NW Europe as well, generally as ambulances and, as far as I can tell, exclusively behind the lines. BTW, you can see a few American Soldiers and Marines today, in Iraq, carrying AKs. Of course the logistics on the AK are a lot easier than those of a King Tiger.

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Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 05:53 PM UTC
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I've only seen Tiger-Bs in use by American forces.



I don't mean to be an arse about this, but it has been the policy of the U.S. Army since before WW2 to NOT use enemy equipment, for any reason.

Captured and tinkered with behind the lines is one thing. But to be put in use on the front is quite different. [/quote]

I also don't want to argue but in the Cornelius Ryan book "The Last Battle" page 128 he describes the US 83rd Infantry Division ( Nicknamed the Rag Tag Circus) as "Liberating" German equipment repainting it and using it. At one point a German staff car joined the column, unaware that they were in a US column because of all the captured vehicles, and its ocupants were promptly taken prisoner.
According to Ryan the commanding General, Major General Robert C. Macon gave orders to supplement his transport with captured German equipment. He states that German "jeeps" (Kuebelwagen), ammunition trucks, motorcycles, buses, panzers and two Fire Engines were used by the Division. According to the text there was a banner on the rear bumper of the lead vehicle (a fire truck) that read "Next Stop: Berlin".
This book and "A bridge too far ", both by Ryan, are two of my favorites.
This would also be a great idea for a dio.


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