Did the Russians ever use any King tiger That thay had captured?
And if so does anyone have a picture of the markings.
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Russian king tiger's?
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Posted: Monday, September 03, 2007 - 02:22 PM UTC
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Posted: Monday, September 03, 2007 - 03:30 PM UTC
Unlikely.
There were so few King Tigers to begin with that it would hardly be worth training a crew on it. Second, spares and ammo would be even HARDER for Russians to come by than even the German's who crewed them.
Finally, the Russian's had so MUCH of their own stuff by the time the KT was in service that there was no need to pilfer off the battlefield.
There were so few King Tigers to begin with that it would hardly be worth training a crew on it. Second, spares and ammo would be even HARDER for Russians to come by than even the German's who crewed them.
Finally, the Russian's had so MUCH of their own stuff by the time the KT was in service that there was no need to pilfer off the battlefield.
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Posted: Monday, September 03, 2007 - 06:38 PM UTC
I've seen photo of Jagdtiger converted as a makeshift civilian residence/hideout by the Russians.
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Posted: Monday, September 03, 2007 - 07:02 PM UTC
I've only seen Tiger-Bs in use by American forces.
About that JagdTiger pic, could you send that to me? It sounds very interesting.
About that JagdTiger pic, could you send that to me? It sounds very interesting.
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Posted: Monday, September 03, 2007 - 07:17 PM UTC
Might have to make it a what if then.
Eather that or American.
I know the Ameracans used them as target Practise.
Eather that or American.
I know the Ameracans used them as target Practise.
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Posted: Monday, September 03, 2007 - 07:43 PM UTC
http://news.webshots.com/photo/2820503440063387170YLtxXv?vhost=news
Here's a pic of the aftermath...
Most of this stuff (eventually) found its way into museums. According to Steve Zaloga, Kubinka or the Poklonna Gora memorial museum in Moscow...
Here's a pic of the aftermath...
Most of this stuff (eventually) found its way into museums. According to Steve Zaloga, Kubinka or the Poklonna Gora memorial museum in Moscow...
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Posted: Monday, September 03, 2007 - 09:16 PM UTC
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Might have to make it a what if then.
Eather that or American.
I know the Ameracans used them as target Practise.
There's a fwe that were actually put into US service. One pic shows a captured Tiger-B with GIs and a tarp with a white star painted on.
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Posted: Monday, September 03, 2007 - 10:23 PM UTC
Interesting stuff.
Herbert, do you have a link to pics of King Tigers in US service?
Thanks,
James
Herbert, do you have a link to pics of King Tigers in US service?
Thanks,
James
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Posted: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 01:09 AM UTC
I'll scour my archive of pics.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 01:47 AM UTC
Thanks!
James
James
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Posted: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 10:09 AM UTC
Cool picture.
MIght be good for a dio
MIght be good for a dio
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Posted: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 12:08 PM UTC
If by "in service" you mean used in combat by US or Soviet forces, I don't think any Tiger IIs were put in service. Several more-or-less intact examples were captured, re-marked by US and Soviet forces and maybe driven around a bit, but I've never heard of one actually employed productively.
I'd love to be proven wrong on this since it would make a heck fo a cool modeling subject !
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I'd love to be proven wrong on this since it would make a heck fo a cool modeling subject !
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Posted: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 09:33 PM UTC
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If by "in service" you mean used in combat by US or Soviet forces, I don't think any Tiger IIs were put in service. Several more-or-less intact examples were captured, re-marked by US and Soviet forces and maybe driven around a bit, but I've never heard of one actually employed productively.
I'd love to be proven wrong on this since it would make a heck fo a cool modeling subject !
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My thoughts exactly Danny!
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Posted: Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 09:42 AM UTC
The Russians captured 2 or 3 KTs intact. They kept breaking down (ballbearings sheared because of the enormous weight, transmissions caught fire, and so on) on the short way to the railway station. They were transferred to the SU, and tested. (The optics, guns, engine, etc. The hulls were shot apart in the proving grounds.)
They came to the conclusion, that the gunsight was superior to theirs, the one-piece ammo was better than the 2 piece ammo of the IS-2, but otherwise (quality of armor, reliability, motility) the IS-2 was far more superior. Not much of a surprise...
There are some Russian webpages mentioning these tanks, but you can read about them in the Sledgehammers... book as well.
They came to the conclusion, that the gunsight was superior to theirs, the one-piece ammo was better than the 2 piece ammo of the IS-2, but otherwise (quality of armor, reliability, motility) the IS-2 was far more superior. Not much of a surprise...
There are some Russian webpages mentioning these tanks, but you can read about them in the Sledgehammers... book as well.
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Posted: Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 12:03 PM UTC
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The Russians captured 2 or 3 KTs intact. They kept breaking down (ballbearings sheared because of the enormous weight, transmissions caught fire, and so on) on the short way to the railway station. They were transferred to the SU, and tested. (The optics, guns, engine, etc. The hulls were shot apart in the proving grounds.)
They came to the conclusion, that the gunsight was superior to theirs, the one-piece ammo was better than the 2 piece ammo of the IS-2, but otherwise (quality of armor, reliability, motility) the IS-2 was far more superior. Not much of a surprise...
I wonder how many features of captured equipment were adopted for a country's own use? Some things are obvious when it comes to comparing Soviet / US aircraft, maybe not so much with regards to tanks...
Interesting nonetheless, always learning something reading the various forums on this site!
Tim
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Posted: Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 08:34 PM UTC
Hi Tim,
If you're interested in captured armour being re-used, check out the beute panzer site: HERE
Hundreds of excellent modelling ideas.
James
If you're interested in captured armour being re-used, check out the beute panzer site: HERE
Hundreds of excellent modelling ideas.
James
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Posted: Friday, September 14, 2007 - 12:02 AM UTC
What you've been waiting for:
I quote from THIS site:
"This Tiger II from the 2.Kompanie/schwere Panzer Abteilung 506 was captured by American troops and restored to running condition by Company B, 129th Ordnance Battalion by 15 December 1944. "
Hows that for an excellent little dio?!
James
I quote from THIS site:
"This Tiger II from the 2.Kompanie/schwere Panzer Abteilung 506 was captured by American troops and restored to running condition by Company B, 129th Ordnance Battalion by 15 December 1944. "
Hows that for an excellent little dio?!
James
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Posted: Friday, September 14, 2007 - 02:12 AM UTC
James -
Thanks for the info! Awesome reference, may have to run with an idea or two!
Great photo of the KT as well! One of my favorites, have a few in the stash!
Cheers!
Tim
Thanks for the info! Awesome reference, may have to run with an idea or two!
Great photo of the KT as well! One of my favorites, have a few in the stash!
Cheers!
Tim
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Posted: Friday, September 14, 2007 - 02:50 AM UTC
Quoted Text
What you've been waiting for:
I quote from THIS site:
"This Tiger II from the 2.Kompanie/schwere Panzer Abteilung 506 was captured by American troops and restored to running condition by Company B, 129th Ordnance Battalion by 15 December 1944. "
Hows that for an excellent little dio?!
James
Yeah, that's the one.
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Posted: Friday, September 14, 2007 - 03:28 AM UTC
this is a cracking read, and has info and photos on three Tiger Bs captured intact...
'.........From the archive records currently available, it appears that the 501st Battalion was routed, and three tanks with turret numbers 102, 502, and 234, were captured intact.
Tank number 502 was found standing in the yard near a house in Ogledów village. It is not clear why the crew abandoned the tank. Ogledów village was taken during a lightning attack by Soviet tanks, and the German crew must have abandoned the tank and run away. A sufficient amount of fuel and ammunition was in the tank, and according to the records found on the tank, it had run only 444 kilometres. When attempting to start up the engine, it started immediately. '
http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=167&Itemid=86
'.........From the archive records currently available, it appears that the 501st Battalion was routed, and three tanks with turret numbers 102, 502, and 234, were captured intact.
Tank number 502 was found standing in the yard near a house in Ogledów village. It is not clear why the crew abandoned the tank. Ogledów village was taken during a lightning attack by Soviet tanks, and the German crew must have abandoned the tank and run away. A sufficient amount of fuel and ammunition was in the tank, and according to the records found on the tank, it had run only 444 kilometres. When attempting to start up the engine, it started immediately. '
http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=167&Itemid=86
Catch-22
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Posted: Friday, September 14, 2007 - 03:40 AM UTC
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The Russians captured 2 or 3 KTs intact. They kept breaking down (ballbearings sheared because of the enormous weight, transmissions caught fire, and so on) on the short way to the railway station. They were transferred to the SU, and tested. (The optics, guns, engine, etc. The hulls were shot apart in the proving grounds.)
They came to the conclusion, that the gunsight was superior to theirs, the one-piece ammo was better than the 2 piece ammo of the IS-2, but otherwise (quality of armor, reliability, motility) the IS-2 was far more superior. Not much of a surprise...
There are some Russian webpages mentioning these tanks, but you can read about them in the Sledgehammers... book as well.
here is one of those russian webpages
http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=282&Itemid=123&lang=en
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Posted: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 10:39 PM UTC
Agreed. Koenigstiger to me are little more than technical oddities. quite worthless as fighting weapons of war.
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Posted: Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 04:36 PM UTC
Rare but has happened.
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Posted: Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 06:07 PM UTC
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I've only seen Tiger-Bs in use by American forces.
I don't mean to be an arse about this, but it has been the policy of the U.S. Army since before WW2 to NOT use enemy equipment, for any reason.
Captured and tinkered with behind the lines is one thing. But to be put in use on the front is quite different.
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Posted: Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 07:14 PM UTC
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They came to the conclusion, that the gunsight was superior to theirs, the one-piece ammo was better than the 2 piece ammo of the IS-2
It depends... No doubt the 88/73 was a better anti-tank weapon, but its HE projectile was a joke compared to the 25-kg shell of the IS2's 122mm gun.
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