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Land Rover Defender 110 in Afghanistan
Frenchy
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Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 09:12 PM UTC
Just to make a change from British and Australian LRs...This one belongs to the Czech 601st Special Forces Group :


More pics HERE

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Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 09:42 PM UTC
Hi Frenchy
Nice find, could be an interesting conversion for Accurate Armours SAS 110. Nick
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Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 10:23 PM UTC
Very nice, and that is indeed a very interesting version to use the AA WMIK model for... The only tricky bit might be the dashboard console, as the right hand drive needs to be converted to left hand drive.
forgive my ignorance, but what is that weapon load? And are these available in 1/35 scale..



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Hisham
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Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 10:35 PM UTC
The larger machine gun on top is the Russian DSHK, the smaller one on the passenger side... I used to see it a lot on PLO Land Rovers in Beirut and they used to call it "Grenov", but I don't know the correct name for it, also Russian.

The DSHK is available in 1/35, but I don't think the other one is.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 10:45 PM UTC

Quoted Text

the smaller one on the passenger side... I used to see it a lot on PLO Land Rovers in Beirut and they used to call it "Grenov", but I don't know the correct name for it, also Russian.


According to one of the other pics caption, it's a PKB 7.62mm machine gun. There's also an optional AGS-17 automatic grenade launcher...

HTH
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Hisham
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Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 11:09 PM UTC
Hey, I just realised you can click on the weapons in the pics to get info about them.! That's cool.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 11:12 PM UTC

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Hey, I just realised you can click on the weapons in the pics to get info about them.! That's cool.



Thanks for pointing that out Hisham.
Clever idea.
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 12:15 AM UTC
Great find Frenchy!
I have an AA WMIK waiting for an interesting idea like this. I really like the click to see data within the image. Whats next???
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 01:27 AM UTC
Doesn't look very safe to tool around a combat zone in
Boggie
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 10:50 AM UTC
KevinB
I thought the same thing. I've been watching the right boom mentality of the HMMWV development and to see this un armoured naked vehicle wandering around full of open access to flesh makes me wonder where they're preparing to fight. I asked the same of Erik Torp running around Afghanistan in a Gwagen without additional armour, he said that they hope for the best! The covert type of fighting far away from the front lines make more sense and I know even some US troops use the 110 to access narrow roads and remote places where HMMWV's can't go. Apparently the unfriendlies can hear a HMMWV long before they see it so I guess 110's sound different too.
But I have a soft spot for the Defenders, I wish I could own a 1:1.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 02:37 AM UTC
Alot of the SF guys in Afghanistan, in addition to the HMMWV's were rolling out on patrols in ATV's
Henk
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Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 02:53 AM UTC
Much of this is down to the same problem that has plagued Armour development right from the start. The compromise between Protection, and Mobility. It is possible to built a Armoured vehicle, that is impregnable to all known weaponry, but it would be unable to move. The more heavily armoured your vehicle, the less manouvrable it becomes.
The Land Rovers trade Armour Protection for Mobility, relying on speed and fire power to see them through. The Land Rovers are mainly used for fast reconn, rather than slow convoy duty or street patrols.
A Land Rover makes a very hard to hit target when it's on the move. As for protection against IED's and such, they can be made so big/effective, that even Main Battle Tanks are vulnrable.

Henk
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