"Back To Old Mother Russia" Except this time
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Posted: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 06:18 PM UTC
"Remember man as you pass by, as you are now, so once was I. As I am now, so you shall be. Prepare for death and follow me."
Wolf
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Posted: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 09:50 PM UTC
Very interesting and a great idea for a diorama. I really like these "what if" dioramas.
Thanks for sharing
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Posted: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 10:11 PM UTC
Very interesting take on something that could have happened, had Germany sued for peice with the western allies to take on communisum we could well have seen a situation such as this. There's a lot going on in this scene and the what-if armour is quite realistic for what 'could have been'. Just a word of warning though - be careful about lining up everything with the sides of the base, i'd try and get some angles in there to make it more realistic.
Good work, be great to see this when it's finished.
James
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Posted: Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 09:24 AM UTC
Thanks for the comments.. It is a long way from beeing finished.. I am adding about 8-10 inches to the with on the road side.. Its 30 inches wide now and 65 inch long..
The Theme is if Patton had his way..
"Remember man as you pass by, as you are now, so once was I. As I am now, so you shall be. Prepare for death and follow me."
Wolf
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Posted: Friday, November 09, 2007 - 03:56 AM UTC
You've come up with some great what if/prototype vehicles there Fred, the 37mm Wirblewind and the Panzerjagerwagen with a Panther turret are very cleverly thought out, I have to ask about the twin Panzer IV turreted railcar you have lurking at the back of the far train, is it a scratchbuild or a kit/conversion?
Oh and more pics of the extended scene too please.
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Posted: Friday, November 09, 2007 - 04:30 AM UTC
i was just going to say isn't that what patton wanted to do. And to think what if, it might have prevented the cold war.
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Posted: Friday, November 09, 2007 - 04:49 AM UTC
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I have to ask about the twin Panzer IV turreted railcar you have lurking at the back of the far train, is it a scratchbuild or a kit/conversion?
Trust you to spot that one Mark!
James
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Posted: Friday, November 09, 2007 - 05:03 AM UTC
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I have to ask about the twin Panzer IV turreted railcar you have lurking at the back of the far train, is it a scratchbuild or a kit/conversion?
Trust you to spot that one Mark!
James
LMAO James, I only asked because I plan to kitbash a couple of the Revell railcars into one someday.....
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Posted: Friday, November 09, 2007 - 09:28 AM UTC
Hear are some more pictures of the train station..
I was wondering if anyone was goin to catch the 37mm Wirblewind?? The guns are scatch built 37mm Mk 103A-4 Autocannons and the Panzerjagerwagen with a Panther turret is Trumpeter's new Panzerjagerwagen, but with a late Panther G turret.. The twin Panzer IV turreted railcar is a Panzerjaeger-Trierwagen 51 and is buy 5 Star Models [Resin kit].. Their is another 37mm Mk 103A-4 / Flak 43 on the rear deck of the Lokomotive Coal Tender..
"Remember man as you pass by, as you are now, so once was I. As I am now, so you shall be. Prepare for death and follow me."
Wolf
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Posted: Friday, November 09, 2007 - 10:22 AM UTC
Thanks for the info Fred, how did the resin kit go together? and how much did you have to pay for it and also where did you buy it as I've never seen one before.
The scratchbuilt guns look damn good to me, as do the trees, did you scratch those too or are they bought?
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Posted: Friday, November 09, 2007 - 12:09 PM UTC
The Panzerjaeger-Triebwagen 51 by 5 Star is not that bad.. I got it from R&J Enterprises.. It coat $180.00.. It is hollow cast, except the turrets.. They are solid cast.. I replased them with ones from a couple of Italeri Panzer IV-H's.. I plain on replasing them with ones from a couple of Tamiya Panzer IV H's so I can do the interiors
easer..
The trees are from Canyon Creek Scenics,
www.canyoncreekscenics.com They make all sizes..
"Remember man as you pass by, as you are now, so once was I. As I am now, so you shall be. Prepare for death and follow me."
Wolf
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Posted: Friday, November 09, 2007 - 01:06 PM UTC
i have one question, the track set up on those pather F and that flank panther ? are they from a tiger II the wheel formation threw me at first and then i looked at mine and then back on the picture but they are from a tiger II right? By the way i like the house is that scratch built . like i mentioned above it is a great dio, alot detail.......
tatbaqui
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Posted: Friday, November 09, 2007 - 02:00 PM UTC
Fred, it sure is one great dio concept and build project -- look forward to seeing more pics. Is that a Waffentrager behind the Panther-turreted Panzerjagerwagen? Tat
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Posted: Friday, November 09, 2007 - 07:53 PM UTC
Louisiana, United States
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Posted: Friday, November 09, 2007 - 08:41 PM UTC
"Remember man as you pass by, as you are now, so once was I. As I am now, so you shall be. Prepare for death and follow me."
Wolf
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Posted: Friday, November 09, 2007 - 09:18 PM UTC
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Fred, it sure is one great dio concept and build project -- look forward to seeing more pics. Is that a Waffentrager behind the Panther-turreted Panzerjagerwagen? Tat
Yep It is the Alan kit
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Wolf
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Posted: Friday, November 09, 2007 - 09:26 PM UTC
The Armoured Train will be in a three tone paint scheem of dunkelgelb, Brun RAL 8012 and Grau RAL 7008.. I have drawings for an Armoured Br 52 Lokomotive and Tender.. I will be scatch building an armoured cover for the Loko and tender..
"Remember man as you pass by, as you are now, so once was I. As I am now, so you shall be. Prepare for death and follow me."
Wolf
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Posted: Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 12:27 AM UTC
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The Panzerjaeger-Triebwagen 51 by 5 Star is not that bad.. I got it from R&J Enterprises.. It coat $180.00.. It is hollow cast, except the turrets.. They are solid cast.. I replased them with ones from a couple of Italeri Panzer IV-H's.. I plain on replasing them with ones from a couple of Tamiya Panzer IV H's so I can do the interiors
easer..
The trees are from Canyon Creek Scenics, www.canyoncreekscenics.com
They make all sizes..
Thanks for that, I may just try and track one down, thanks for the heads up on the trees too, they look rather good.
One more question, is the Panzertragerwagen a kit too or a scratchbuild/conversion?
tatbaqui
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Posted: Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 01:47 AM UTC
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I took the Waffentrager out and put a Panzer II Aust L [5 cm][Luchs] in the Panzertraggerwagen for now..
Fred, if its 5cm -- would that be the Pz II Ausf M then? Was this a kit conversion? Same question as Mark's on the Panzertraggerwagen.
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Has anyone caught the Gefechtsaufklaerer "Leopard" inbetween the trees??
Yes, I was going to ask you about this when I first saw the thread. Was this a paper panzer, or did it see service post-war? (don't know much after '45). All the best to your work.
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Posted: Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 05:40 AM UTC
hi fred , like i mentioned before it's an awesome dio, with alot of little detail , like the girl against the building, i have used trees from cayon before , whatcha opnion on them? mine were snow covered. Are you going to detail the train engine with more paint. i am working on a dio with 3 tiger1's right now and like you i find that the Friulmodel tracks much better to use and more realistic looking. well you are definetly going to have to keep us posted on your progress. keep up the great work !
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Posted: Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 11:29 AM UTC
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I took the Waffentrager out and put a Panzer II Aust L [5 cm][Luchs] in the Panzertraggerwagen for now..
Fred, if its 5cm -- would that be the Pz II Ausf M then? Was this a kit conversion? Same question as Mark's on the Panzertraggerwagen.
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Has anyone caught the Gefechtsaufklaerer "Leopard" inbetween the trees??
Yes, I was going to ask you about this when I first saw the thread. Was this a paper panzer, or did it see service post-war? (don't know much after '45). All the best to your work.
What is your question about the Panzertraggerwagen??
The Gefechtsaufklaerer "Leopard" was stated [ in the design stage when it was stoped.. The kit is from New-Connection.. I changed the turret to a modified Panther Schmalturm turret..
The Panzer II Aust L [5 cm][Luchs] was called Pz.Kpfw.II [5 cm]
I have a question for all of you?? How many caught the German Solder taking a dump??
"Remember man as you pass by, as you are now, so once was I. As I am now, so you shall be. Prepare for death and follow me."
Wolf
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Posted: Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 11:54 AM UTC
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I took the Waffentrager out and put a Panzer II Aust L [5 cm][Luchs] in the Panzertraggerwagen for now..
Fred, if its 5cm -- would that be the Pz II Ausf M then? Was this a kit conversion? Same question as Mark's on the Panzertraggerwagen.
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Has anyone caught the Gefechtsaufklaerer "Leopard" inbetween the trees??
Yes, I was going to ask you about this when I first saw the thread. Was this a paper panzer, or did it see service post-war? (don't know much after '45). All the best to your work.
What is your question on the Panzertraggerwagen??
The Gefechtsaufklaerer "Leopard" was stated [ in the design stage when it was stoped.. The kit is from New-Connection.. I changed the turret to a modified Panther Schmalturm turret..
I have a question for all of you?? How many caught the German Solder taking a dump??
I think we were both asking the origins of the Panzertragerwagen, kit or scratch/conversion?
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Posted: Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 12:04 PM UTC
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I took the Waffentrager out and put a Panzer II Aust L [5 cm][Luchs] in the Panzertraggerwagen for now..
Fred, if its 5cm -- would that be the Pz II Ausf M then? Was this a kit conversion? Same question as Mark's on the Panzertraggerwagen.
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Has anyone caught the Gefechtsaufklaerer "Leopard" inbetween the trees??
Yes, I was going to ask you about this when I first saw the thread. Was this a paper panzer, or did it see service post-war? (don't know much after '45). All the best to your work.
What is your question on the Panzertraggerwagen??
The Gefechtsaufklaerer "Leopard" was stated [ in the design stage when it was stoped.. The kit is from New-Connection.. I changed the turret to a modified Panther Schmalturm turret..
I have a question for all of you?? How many caught the German Solder taking a dump??
I think we were both asking the origins of the Panzertragerwagen, kit or scratch/conversion?
Ok It is from Ironside Models.. It is made for a Pz Kpfw 38t.. I raised the decking so the wider Luchs would fit..
"Remember man as you pass by, as you are now, so once was I. As I am now, so you shall be. Prepare for death and follow me."
Wolf
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Posted: Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 08:57 PM UTC
Let give you a little history on this thing I am building.. I started on back in 2000 with the Train Station building's and base from Custom Dioramics.. If I remember right the base was 24" X 14".. Right off I decided that was going to be to small.. And now it has grown to 5'5" X 30" and I am thinking about adding another 6" to the width and maybe another 10" to the length.. This thing is growing out of house and home.. I want to add one more flat car to freight train.. I have enough cars to do the rest of the Armored Train minus one coal car.. I have a lot more figures to do, US and German..
"Remember man as you pass by, as you are now, so once was I. As I am now, so you shall be. Prepare for death and follow me."
Wolf
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Posted: Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 03:49 AM UTC
Even though this is a "what-if", you might want to reconsider the placement of the 3.7cm Flak on the tender of the locomotive. Lots of people have the inclination to put a Flak gun there, either a Flakvierling or a single Flak...but this area is the top of the water tank and wouldn't be able to take the weight of the gun (nevermind have no space for the crew or ammo necessary to operate it) of a 2.0cm Flak 38, nevermind the much heavier 3.7cm gun.
