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The missing "88"
long_tom
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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 06:02 PM UTC
First, there was Tamiya's mediocre Flak 36/37 kit. Recently, Dragon came out with Flak 36 and 37 guns, and AFV Club came out with Flak 18 and Pak 43/41 guns. So why has nobody come out with either the Flak 41 or the Pak 43 guns, or are they going to come out soon?
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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 06:14 PM UTC
Actually Alan Hobby has come out with the Pak 43, but according to PMMS its nothing to
write home about.
Cheers
Kevin
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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 06:22 PM UTC
Cromwell models makes both the 8.8cm Flak 41 and the 8.8cm Pak 43. Both are magnificent (but pricey)

Azimut, Verlinden and Alan(very poor) make the Pak 43.

Here's a pic of the Cromwell Pak 41 that I finished about 2 yrs ago



Here's a publicity photo of Cromwell's Pak 43
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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 09:31 PM UTC
Spare athought for the allied modeller, your bemoaning the fact that only 4 of the major variants have been kittesd by no less than three manufacturerss, plus the others that were added and we the allied modellers are yet to see a medium or heavy AA gun except in expensive resin. We have a gun tractor for the US 90mm but no gun! In fact we are still waiting for basic infantry anti tank guns with two 70's kits (and fairly mediocre ones at that) of the venerable 6 pdr.
Be happy with the stunners that AFV, Tamiya nad DML have given you
Al
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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 09:44 PM UTC

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Spare athought for the allied modeller, your bemoaning the fact that only 4 of the major variants have been kittesd by no less than three manufacturerss, plus the others that were added and we the allied modellers are yet to see a medium or heavy AA gun except in expensive resin. We have a gun tractor for the US 90mm but no gun! In fact we are still waiting for basic infantry anti tank guns with two 70's kits (and fairly mediocre ones at that) of the venerable 6 pdr.
Be happy with the stunners that AFV, Tamiya nad DML have given you



Absolurely correct althoughTom's original (and very valid point) was the lack of Flak 41 and the Pak 43s in plastic. What however is equally alarming are two areas - prime movers (apart from Tamiya's elderly Sd Kfz 7) and suitable crew figures representing the many fronts that the current crop of 88s were deployed...
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2007 - 06:46 AM UTC
I was thinking along the lines of the fact that AFV Club, by already making rubber tires and other molded parts that would go on the Pak 43 and Flak 41, wouldn't have a lot of extra difficulty in making the other guns as well. After all, the other guns were quite widespread in use as well.
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2007 - 06:49 AM UTC

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I was thinking along the lines of the fact that AFV Club, by already making rubber tires and other molded parts that would go on the Pak 43 and Flak 41, wouldn't have a lot of extra difficulty in making the other guns as well. After all, the other guns were quite widespread in use as well.



Well not really. The Pak 43 shared no parts with earlier guns. Its trailer was the SdAnh 203 (I believe) and no other artillery piece used this. The 8.8cm Flak 41 used the SdAnh 202 trailers, which are the exact ones included in the DML 8.8cm Flak 36 and Flak 37 kits (that's where I snagged mine from for my build). DML actually is further along (using their Flak 37) in making a Flak 41 than anyone else. HTH
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2007 - 12:30 PM UTC

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Well not really. The Pak 43 shared no parts with earlier guns. Its trailer was the SdAnh 203 (I believe) and no other artillery piece used this. The 8.8cm Flak 41 used the SdAnh 202 trailers, which are the exact ones included in the DML 8.8cm Flak 36 and Flak 37 kits (that's where I snagged mine from for my build). DML actually is further along (using their Flak 37) in making a Flak 41 than anyone else. HTH



My mistake. The Pak 43/41 was a Frankenstein gun which borrowed components from other guns, but they weren't from other 88 types.
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2007 - 11:57 PM UTC
I just received an email from Robert Schatton about this release which might interest you...

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