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markm
Joined: September 11, 2005
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Posted: Friday, January 04, 2008 - 06:39 AM UTC
Hey folks, found this pic while searching for stuff in Russia this morning
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BorisS
Joined: October 07, 2007
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Posted: Friday, January 04, 2008 - 06:06 PM UTC
A busted old armored car, no big deal. No offense, it's interesting. But if you take a walk around any forest or area in Russia around where battles were held (especially in the Patriotic War) your sure to find all sorts of old military stuff lying around.
My dad found an old saber in the forest once with 1942 stamped on the blade. The whole thing was rusted, the wood grip was almost completely gone, and the sheath was missing. he took it home, polished it up, made a new grip and sheath for it and hung it on a wall. Heavy little toy that was. Too bad we had to give it away at the airport when we moved to the US. Good thing our friends were there and were able to take it for us instead of handing it to customs.
I also found a bit of a T34 turret sticking out of the ground in a field once when i was little, and a propeller blade sticking from the ground in a forest near my house.
My dad found an old saber in the forest once with 1942 stamped on the blade. The whole thing was rusted, the wood grip was almost completely gone, and the sheath was missing. he took it home, polished it up, made a new grip and sheath for it and hung it on a wall. Heavy little toy that was. Too bad we had to give it away at the airport when we moved to the US. Good thing our friends were there and were able to take it for us instead of handing it to customs.
I also found a bit of a T34 turret sticking out of the ground in a field once when i was little, and a propeller blade sticking from the ground in a forest near my house.
sparky
Joined: December 26, 2004
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Posted: Friday, January 04, 2008 - 06:19 PM UTC
Mark
Great Picture....it absolutely screams DIORAMA.
thanks for sharing
Great Picture....it absolutely screams DIORAMA.
thanks for sharing
Reiter960
Joined: June 24, 2007
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Posted: Friday, January 04, 2008 - 07:14 PM UTC
Yep, during perestroika anything went, what wasn't any use for military, could be bought easily. As for war ghosts, there was ravaged Pz. III with left side looking like slice of Swiss cheese where I used to grow up. Sometimes it was getting ridiculous, few first Chechen campaign veterans told they once had to deal with partially disabled IS-2 
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f1matt
Joined: August 13, 2006
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Posted: Friday, January 04, 2008 - 08:42 PM UTC
It would be pretty amazing to walk on an old battlefield and come across a piece of history. To build a model is one thing, but to come across the real thing. That's exciting to me.
-Matt
-Matt
GeraldOwens
Joined: March 30, 2006
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Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 12:19 AM UTC
Looks liked a junked BRDM-2 armored car, a Cold War relic (that said, there are no doubt plenty of them still in service, here and there).
Jon_Vancil
Joined: July 01, 2007
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Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 04:02 AM UTC
I was watching a special on CNN last wwek I think and they showed a shot of a pile of BTRs outside kabul. There were dozens of them. Mark thanks for the pic, it refuels my intrest to find a 1/1 scale project! 
markm
Joined: September 11, 2005
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Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 04:53 AM UTC
I found this pic near the Chernobyl area, not sure if I would want to go history searching there.....
SSGToms
Joined: April 02, 2005
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Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 08:34 AM UTC
I think what is interesting here is the COLOR of the BRDM and the other equipment behind it. On another thread here we were bantering about what color 4BO is, and what paint color is closest to it. One guy commented that MMAcryl "Russian Armor Green" made his tank look like Kermit the Frog, and I said that I like that paint and it matches actual WWII Russian tanks I've seen. I know the BRDM isn't WWII, but that's the green I've seen in person, and it matches the grass in front of it. It doesn't look way too bright in it's environment.
BorisS
Joined: October 07, 2007
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Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 08:55 AM UTC
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I found this pic near the Chernobyl area, not sure if I would want to go history searching there.....
I wouldn't worry too much about it. The area is mostly clean now even in the cordoned off area. You are only at risk if you spend days in the area or go straight into the core. In fact they have been doing tours to the area for a while now which take you through Pripyat and even around the reactor. I would love to visit that place sometime. Creepy abandoned places like that interest me for some reason, I guess I'm just odd like that
I hear they even have a military factory in there where people still work.Would be cool to go to the dump and take pics of all the old soviet choppers and stuff. Good research.
Logan
Joined: September 30, 2004
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Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 08:57 AM UTC
HI
It is a BRDM 2 chassis, possibly the RKHM variant.
The green on Russian vegicles varied from a deep green to a bright one as shown.
Tom
It is a BRDM 2 chassis, possibly the RKHM variant.
The green on Russian vegicles varied from a deep green to a bright one as shown.
Tom
Steve1479
Joined: December 09, 2007
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Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 02:16 PM UTC
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Quoted TextI found this pic near the Chernobyl area, not sure if I would want to go history searching there.....
I wouldn't worry too much about it. The area is mostly clean now even in the cordoned off area. You are only at risk if you spend days in the area or go straight into the core. In fact they have been doing tours to the area for a while now which take you through Pripyat and even around the reactor. I would love to visit that place sometime. Creepy abandoned places like that interest me for some reason, I guess I'm just odd like that
Would be cool to go to the dump and take pics of all the old soviet choppers and stuff. Good research.
I went there two summers ago and it was truely life changing. I visited the area around the plant along with Pripyat (town of 50,000 where all the workers and their families lived) It truely is eerie. I haven't felt anything wrong with me so I guess that's a good sign. The only thing that was evident to me of the radiation in the area was that I got a bad headache not more than 10 minutes into the area. If any of you need information, history or even photos (if I can find them) then I will be happy to assist. I'm somewhat captured by the whole Chernobyl incident, it's something about the fact that that piece of history that happened 20 some odd years ago still happens to be somewhat of a threat to us and will be with us for the next 100 or so years.
afv_rob
Joined: October 09, 2005
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Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 03:05 PM UTC
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Quoted TextQuoted TextI found this pic near the Chernobyl area, not sure if I would want to go history searching there.....
I wouldn't worry too much about it. The area is mostly clean now even in the cordoned off area. You are only at risk if you spend days in the area or go straight into the core. In fact they have been doing tours to the area for a while now which take you through Pripyat and even around the reactor. I would love to visit that place sometime. Creepy abandoned places like that interest me for some reason, I guess I'm just odd like that
Would be cool to go to the dump and take pics of all the old soviet choppers and stuff. Good research.
I went there two summers ago and it was truely life changing. I visited the area around the plant along with Pripyat (town of 50,000 where all the workers and their families lived) It truely is eerie. I haven't felt anything wrong with me so I guess that's a good sign. The only thing that was evident to me of the radiation in the area was that I got a bad headache not more than 10 minutes into the area. If any of you need information, history or even photos (if I can find them) then I will be happy to assist. I'm somewhat captured by the whole Chernobyl incident, it's something about the fact that that piece of history that happened 20 some odd years ago still happens to be somewhat of a threat to us and will be with us for the next 100 or so years.
Have to agree, what happene there is truelly compelling. Id love to visit the site, its something i definitely intend to do in my lifetime, so long as the sarcophagus doesnt collapse and release all that highly radioactive dust into the atmosphere-which i hear could happen if they dont sort it soon! Anyway that aside, theres tons of vehicle graveyards in that area, all the stuff used by the 'Liquidators', quite dangerous to go near as the metal absorbs the radiation, just a quick google search will reveal pics of loads of vehicle dumps with all manor of military hardware abandoned, including helicopters which have been stripped by thieves. The really deadly stuff-the fire engines first on the scene, have been buried as they are truely lethal for several hundreds years.
Reiter960
Joined: June 24, 2007
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Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 03:07 PM UTC
Pripyat' and surrounding areas are indeed safe, thanks to 47 pilots firefighters and Professor Legasov's sacrifise, but I would stay away from vehicle grave yards and Chernobyl-2 long range detection site. Anyone tried the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. game? It's practically trip to the location, just make sure you leave light on..... 
MLD
Joined: July 21, 2002
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Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 05:33 PM UTC
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I think Tom is right, look there are the front of the turret, partially hidden behind the opened hatch. That looks like the rack for the sound star launcher, like on the one on display at Aberdeen.
Missing are the rear flag mounts though..
Mike
BorisS
Joined: October 07, 2007
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Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 08:08 PM UTC
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Pripyat' and surrounding areas are indeed safe, thanks to 47 pilots firefighters and Professor Legasov's sacrifise, but I would stay away from vehicle grave yards and Chernobyl-2 long range detection site. Anyone tried the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. game? It's practically trip to the location, just make sure you leave light on.....
Played the game and love it. Really creepy in the underground labs, but unfortunately my comp isn't strong enough for the enhanced lighting and shadows so i didn't get the complete experience. From what I have seen in photos, the game enviroment is very true to the original. Although some selective compression is present of course. Very buggy for a game that was 7 years in the making though. The crash in Prypiat is especially annoying.
timroberts8
Joined: August 01, 2004
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Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 10:59 PM UTC
have a look at this site
http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/
http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/
jargonking
Joined: May 08, 2006
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Posted: Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 11:00 PM UTC
If any of you are interested in images of the abandoned towns around Chernobyl then you should check out this site...great pictures and very interesting reading...
http://www.elenafilatova.com/
http://www.elenafilatova.com/
Jacques
Joined: March 04, 2003
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Posted: Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 05:57 AM UTC
Quick primer on Radioactivity from a biological point of view:
Gamma emmitters are the very nasty ones that gave off the rads that killed the immediate responders and "cooked" the equipment. This stuff is HIGHLY lethal, but thankfully short lived. In mass, like a reactor core, it keeps on being dangerous for a LONG time, but individual dust particles have only a short-time (by radioactive standards) effect.
Alpha emmiters are the big worry and the long term killers. They are very weak, clothing and skin will stop the rads, but ingestion causes horrible problems. The alpha emmitters are basically radioactive isotopes of normal elements, and your body treats them like such. So your body cannot tell stable Cesium from the Cesium-137 isotope. And when a alpha emmitter is put in a place like your bone marrow, or brain, or liver... cancer and problems are going to happen. And it only takes a litte to have horrible consequences.
But Alpha emiiters can be washed off and diluted, making it hard to contract them after time. If you do not eat the plants or animals in the effected area, you are safe aftet the dust has literally settled.
Nuclear reactor contamination is far worse than Nuclear weapon fallout as weapon fallout is extreemly "clean" due to the super-heated nature of the weapon. Reactors do not get hot enough and so they ten to "smoke" more.
So I can see why they would be able to do tours now, and have people living in the area. But ther cancer rate is what, about 5 times the norm... haven't checked in a while. not my idea of a "worker's paradise".
As for MM Dark Green...whoeve said it made there tank look like Kermit must have used a different color or a bad bottle. MM Dark Green is a good dark green and will give you a color different from the BRDM in the photo.
The BRDM does indeed look like a RKHM. They probably stripped off the flag droppers, or else never fitted them before sending the Chem recon vehicle in. Who knows...
Gamma emmitters are the very nasty ones that gave off the rads that killed the immediate responders and "cooked" the equipment. This stuff is HIGHLY lethal, but thankfully short lived. In mass, like a reactor core, it keeps on being dangerous for a LONG time, but individual dust particles have only a short-time (by radioactive standards) effect.
Alpha emmiters are the big worry and the long term killers. They are very weak, clothing and skin will stop the rads, but ingestion causes horrible problems. The alpha emmitters are basically radioactive isotopes of normal elements, and your body treats them like such. So your body cannot tell stable Cesium from the Cesium-137 isotope. And when a alpha emmitter is put in a place like your bone marrow, or brain, or liver... cancer and problems are going to happen. And it only takes a litte to have horrible consequences.
But Alpha emiiters can be washed off and diluted, making it hard to contract them after time. If you do not eat the plants or animals in the effected area, you are safe aftet the dust has literally settled.
Nuclear reactor contamination is far worse than Nuclear weapon fallout as weapon fallout is extreemly "clean" due to the super-heated nature of the weapon. Reactors do not get hot enough and so they ten to "smoke" more.
So I can see why they would be able to do tours now, and have people living in the area. But ther cancer rate is what, about 5 times the norm... haven't checked in a while. not my idea of a "worker's paradise".
As for MM Dark Green...whoeve said it made there tank look like Kermit must have used a different color or a bad bottle. MM Dark Green is a good dark green and will give you a color different from the BRDM in the photo.
The BRDM does indeed look like a RKHM. They probably stripped off the flag droppers, or else never fitted them before sending the Chem recon vehicle in. Who knows...
SSGToms
Joined: April 02, 2005
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Posted: Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 09:51 AM UTC
Jacques,
The paint in question was MMAcryl " Russian Armor Green" which matches the BRDM very well.
The paint in question was MMAcryl " Russian Armor Green" which matches the BRDM very well.
Steve1479
Joined: December 09, 2007
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Posted: Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 10:34 AM UTC
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Pripyat' and surrounding areas are indeed safe, thanks to 47 pilots firefighters and Professor Legasov's sacrifise, but I would stay away from vehicle grave yards and Chernobyl-2 long range detection site. Anyone tried the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. game? It's practically trip to the location, just make sure you leave light on.....
I am going to have to disagree with that statement my friend. While visiting Pripyat, I had a device for measuring radioactive activity in the area (forget the name of it) but even in Pripyat, I was not able to visit the area around the ferris wheel / bumper cars because of high radiation. The average reading in Pripyat was still 40 times the normal level of radiation. Around Chernobyl the level was 77. I was not allowed around the area known as the "red forest" as radiation was 146 times the regular level (the trees that were there before had absorbed alot of radiation through their roots) I could see some of the vehicle graveyards but once again was not allowed near them due to high radiation. I have to find my photos as they are quite something. While in Pripyat I saw a lot of cool things. I visited an old school which still had math textbooks on and in the desks. An old hospital maternity ward which still had baby cribs and what looked like incubators. A room which was full of artwork and the like depicting former soviet presidents. Rooms in apartment buildings which were still fully furnished with couches, beds, kitchens, pianos, paintings and everything. It's pretty scary when you think that 50,000 people were evacuated within 48 hours. So if you ever do you go there, it truly is life changing, because everything, and I mean everything (aside from things that were looted) is still there.
LogansDad
Joined: March 30, 2004
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Posted: Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 01:05 PM UTC
Steve, I'm curious. were the Photos you took film or digital? Because as a former NBCD Tech, film really should've fogged badly at the Roentgen levels you describe... 
BorisS
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Posted: Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 03:00 PM UTC
I read that some items in Pripyat were placed there by workers after the disaster just to give it a more dramatic effect. For instance I saw a picture of a teddy bear lying in the street which honestly looked a bit too clean to have been lying outside for 20 years under snow and heat and rain.
Still a very horrible thing that happened there but just wanted to point out that a little of the drama is a bit fake. Although I'm sure its just a few minor things.
Still a very horrible thing that happened there but just wanted to point out that a little of the drama is a bit fake. Although I'm sure its just a few minor things.
Jacques
Joined: March 04, 2003
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Posted: Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 04:52 PM UTC
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Jacques,
The paint in question was MMAcryl " Russian Armor Green" which matches the BRDM very well.
Whoops, missed the "Russian Armor" part...duh!
Yeah, that is right, it has that sort of kermit look. Best way to use it is to thinly mist it over a nearly done vehicle, it works kinda like a filter and you get more of an effect like the BRDM in the photo.Steve1479
Joined: December 09, 2007
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Posted: Monday, January 07, 2008 - 12:51 AM UTC
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Steve, I'm curious. were the Photos you took film or digital? Because as a former NBCD Tech, film really should've fogged badly at the Roentgen levels you describe...
Digital, I figured it was better than lugging a bunch of disposables around. And to the one below this, Yea I felt that way about some of the things I saw. That room full of art seemed like it was placed there, textbooks on the desks seemed a bit odd but I could see that if it was an immediate evacuation, that they would have been just left there.
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