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The JS 2 Challenge
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2008 - 12:37 AM UTC
I am completing my work on Tamiya's JS 2. Prior to commencing work, I referred to Zaloga's fine commentary on the kit. The turret goes together without a hitch as does the track and the remaining items. The problem is attaching the main hull parts. I must have broken the track ten times trying to get the two parts to adhere. Finally, I aligned both parts and insert a plastic sliver in the fairly large gap. It held. The challenge was to file down the sliver to mat with the hull dimensions. More track broken in the process. She is finally together, but I will not move it off the street stand I made for fear of further damaging it. Has anyone else experienced this modeling challenge with this fine kit?
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2008 - 02:05 PM UTC
Hi DJ

I'm only at the assembling the lower hull stage at the moment, thanks for the warning about mounting the upper hull. I'll see what happens with mine.

David
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2008 - 05:38 PM UTC
David-- thanks for the response. I am most interested in discovering whether I did something incorrectly or if this is a common challenge.
thanks again
DJ
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2008 - 07:05 PM UTC
I don't think i experience much problem with this kit. The only time taking thing for this kit was to fill up those sinkholes on the tracks.
Kinda make my blood boil a bit. But if you ask me, I'd give 9/10 for this kit.
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2008 - 07:07 PM UTC
DJ

At the current rate of progress it'll be sometime around the weekend before I reach the edge of the precipice.

David
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Posted: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 - 04:03 AM UTC
I've test fitted the upper and lower hulls, and they seem to fit fine.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 - 05:32 AM UTC
Have not started mine yet but I would suggest that you do not follow the instructions to the letter. Put the hull together and get it set right and add the spare tracks and other exterior parts later. This is if I understand your post here. I do this on my models, jump around and get the hull and Turret together and then add all the other parts. Gets the basic shape right when possible
Cheers
Dave
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Posted: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 - 08:08 AM UTC
Just ordered the JS2 and should have it Friday.It'll be my first piece of Soviet armor and i'm very excited. Cant wait.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 06:09 AM UTC

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Have not started mine yet but I would suggest that you do not follow the instructions to the letter. Put the hull together and get it set right and add the spare tracks and other exterior parts later. This is if I understand your post here. I do this on my models, jump around and get the hull and Turret together and then add all the other parts. Gets the basic shape right when possible
Cheers
Dave



Dave-- It is a beautiful kit, well worth the time and cost. I think upon reflection you are exactly right. I followed the instructions to the letter. Here's the problem, the track which is really cool to make has to fit under the fenders. If you follow the instructions, the lower hull and track go together before you put the upper half on the model. So, if assembled out of sequence, one would have to maneuver the assembled individual track over the large drive sprockets and fenders---that would be tough to do. I see that Danial from Singapore did not experience the same problems with following the instructions. I did. I am not a Russian model person, Sherman's are my forte. But, this JS-2 is really nice looking despite what I encountered. I am interested in finding out how other either overcame the issue or never encountered it.
thanks again
DJ
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Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 02:21 PM UTC
DJ

Can you be a bit more specific about the problem? Was it because the assembled track is fragile or because something on the upper hull fouled the track?

I've got one side of the track assembled so far and I've stuck the two endsof the upper hull together so I can eliminate the joint. The upper and lower hull parts seem to dry-fit together reasonably well (apart from aligning the nose, that takes a bit of care) and doesn't affect the track.

David
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Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 05:27 PM UTC

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DJ

Can you be a bit more specific about the problem? Was it because the assembled track is fragile or because something on the upper hull fouled the track?

I've got one side of the track assembled so far and I've stuck the two endsof the upper hull together so I can eliminate the joint. The upper and lower hull parts seem to dry-fit together reasonably well (apart from aligning the nose, that takes a bit of care) and doesn't affect the track.

David



David-- I believe the track is fragile and perhaps I did not use enough track blocks so it was too tight and thus prevented a smooth assembly. When I dry fitted it went together without a problem. Maybe as the glue cured it shrank the track too much....
Let us know how you make out.
thanks again
DJ
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Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 05:42 PM UTC
DJ

I did the left-hand track last night more-or-less by accident. I'd done the top run over the weekend so I was experimenting with adding a few more links and got to the stage where I had to finish the run or risk it setting out of shape. In the end, I used one less link than the number specified, which left a couple of slightly too widely-spaced links in the last bit. Of course they're at the front where's it's most visible. I'll have another look tonight with a view to replacing some of the links with spares. Apart from the front the rest of the track, especially round the sprocket, looks excellent.

I used Tamiya extra-thin cement which seems to hold the links together okay.

Davdi
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Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 10:15 PM UTC

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DJ

I did the left-hand track last night more-or-less by accident. I'd done the top run over the weekend so I was experimenting with adding a few more links and got to the stage where I had to finish the run or risk it setting out of shape. In the end, I used one less link than the number specified, which left a couple of slightly too widely-spaced links in the last bit. Of course they're at the front where's it's most visible. I'll have another look tonight with a view to replacing some of the links with spares. Apart from the front the rest of the track, especially round the sprocket, looks excellent.

I used Tamiya extra-thin cement which seems to hold the links together okay.

Davdi



David-- good run down on your progress. Keep it up. Once again, as we discuss this mattter, I am becoming more and more convinced that you either add more blocks to the track than specified or you glue the upper and lower hull together before you set the track.. Has anyone used the vinyl track provided in the kit? The questions being "can you get the same type sag as the individual track?"
thanks again
DJ
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 02:04 PM UTC
DJ

I think I created a few problems for myself by ignoring the instructions - at the front I worked upwards from the front road wheel up and around the idler to join with the top run. What I should have done was work from the end of the top run down to the front road wheel which would have hidden the problem better. Some of it may be down to Tamiya's engineering - the four-link section they give you is a bit inflexible and it would have been better to have all indy links down to the bottom run. As you appear to have four links left over on each side I might use these instead of the block.

The indy link track that comes with Dragon's old IS series may be a pain (literally) to assemble but the links hold together without glue so you can adjust away without worrying about the glue setting. I managed to dry-fit two entire tracks and install them over Christmas.

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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 05:36 PM UTC

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DJ

I think I created a few problems for myself by ignoring the instructions - at the front I worked upwards from the front road wheel up and around the idler to join with the top run. What I should have done was work from the end of the top run down to the front road wheel which would have hidden the problem better. Some of it may be down to Tamiya's engineering - the four-link section they give you is a bit inflexible and it would have been better to have all indy links down to the bottom run. As you appear to have four links left over on each side I might use these instead of the block.

The indy link track that comes with Dragon's old IS series may be a pain (literally) to assemble but the links hold together without glue so you can adjust away without worrying about the glue setting. I managed to dry-fit two entire tracks and install them over Christmas.

David



David-- I agree that the Tamiya track was extremely fragile as compared to the Dragon indy tracks. If I had to do it over again, I would not use the blocks. They were difficult to adjust and did not provide the angle I believe should have been in the run of track. I am anxious to hear from you on how that upper and lower hull go together given your review of the track. She is a real beauty when you finish. I just dread moving it for fear of splitting the tracks (again).
DJ
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 05:44 PM UTC
DJ

I wonder if it's down to the glue you've used? I tested the strength of the joints on my track last night and using the assembled track as a handle I managed to pick up the lower hull without disaster striking. I've dry fitted the upper hull and it doesn't foul the tracks, but that might be because I haven't added the front end of the track guards.

David
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 07:46 PM UTC

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DJ

I wonder if it's down to the glue you've used? I tested the strength of the joints on my track last night and using the assembled track as a handle I managed to pick up the lower hull without disaster striking. I've dry fitted the upper hull and it doesn't foul the tracks, but that might be because I haven't added the front end of the track guards.

David



David-- quite possibly. I applied Tamiya Grren Cap to the links. What did you use?
DJ
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 07:48 PM UTC
DJ

Same glue as you - applied before joining the links together, then a little touch into the joint once they were together.

David
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Posted: Friday, February 15, 2008 - 01:36 AM UTC

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DJ

Same glue as you - applied before joining the links together, then a little touch into the joint once they were together.

David



David-- that makes glue a moot issue. Let's hear how you make out this weekend with her. I hope others will join in on their experiences with this kit. I am not a Russian builder, but I want to enhance the current collection by starting the T-34/85 Bedspring this week after I finish the Comet (which is another great kit).
Look forward to hearing from you.
DJ
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