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Retreat in Normandie 1944
madspaniard
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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 01:01 AM UTC
This is 1/35, and is missing all the ground work,and weathering the figures .What do you think?Thanks in advance.
Pedro


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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 01:58 AM UTC
Pedro,

Looks good so far. Only one minor detail, the guy at the very end appears to be wearing the winter coat whereas the rest aren't. Other than that very good looking.
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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 04:01 AM UTC
Everything looks pretty good to me except for the officer at the front of the infantry column. He looks like he is at a dead stop and about to be run over by the rest of the Soldiers. This is only my opinion, but maybe he would "fit" better into the scene if he were off to the side observing the movement of the column.
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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 04:30 AM UTC
Looks like it will be a winner to me Nice work so far
slodder
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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 05:03 AM UTC
This is great - I actually really like the stopped officer and the chaos he is causing behind, the 2nd in line is turning right, the next guy is a bit off line, and so forth. That actually adds a bit of life to a 'down' retreat emotion. Not everyone is in firm rank and file.

The kits and execution of the builds are great.

I like this.
hogarth
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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 05:18 AM UTC

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Pedro,

Looks good so far. Only one minor detail, the guy at the very end appears to be wearing the winter coat whereas the rest aren't. Other than that very good looking.



Great scene. I'm planning something similar myself.

I think that last guy is wearing the "sniper's anorak", not a winter coat. He looks like the guy from the DML "Battle of the Hedgerows" set, as do a few of the other figs (guy w/wounded arm for one).

Rob
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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 05:38 AM UTC
Great set up.
Very simple, but very effective. If you still want to lively up those walls, you might try some french commercial murals. See this thread on ML for info:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/78970/message/1201189594/French+advertisements+on+houses

Keep us posted.
sadodd
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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 05:46 AM UTC
Robert,

Thanks for correcting me. Really kind of hard to tell from the photo, just looked odd because the rest all seem to be wearing the same uniform. Could be just the photo angle made it look odd to me as well. Thanks again.
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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 06:32 AM UTC
Nice little scene so far Pedro. I really like the guy reaching out of the RSO ... his pose is perfect and connects the vehicle to the marching figures. Very promising.
json
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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 07:11 AM UTC

I'm going to follow this, this is looking very promising!!

Apart from the fact that very few (if any) RSOs existed on the Western Front, the diorama is well executed. I'm looking forward to seeing the ground-work!

regards,
Steen
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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 07:20 PM UTC
Thanks to all of you,your nice words.I still have a lot to do,cable brakes on the bikes,weathering the figures and the most challenging the ground work. I will post as soon I have updates.
Thanks a lot
Pedro
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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 09:15 PM UTC

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I'm going to follow this, this is looking very promising!!

Apart from the fact that very few (if any) RSOs existed on the Western Front, the diorama is well executed. I'm looking forward to seeing the ground-work!

regards,
Steen



Could I ask by what knowledge you state that the "very few (if any) existed on the Western Front" as I'm sure I've seen pictures of wrecked ones in France and other areas of the Western Theatre of conflict ?

Granted many were used on the Eastern Front because of the conditions, but I like to know by what knowledge and authority you make the above statement.

http://www.lonesentry.com/11th_armored/11th-15final.jpg

Alan
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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 10:00 PM UTC
looking good,
following!!!
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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 10:42 PM UTC
Steen,

I agree with Alan. The RSO was a prime mover for Pak and the 10.5cm le Fh 18 in fe Inf Div, which fought on all fronts. However there aren't a lot of pics of them.
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Posted: Monday, March 24, 2008 - 01:26 AM UTC
This looks really great. Only the green camo stripes on the vehicle are a little bit blue.

Lars
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Posted: Monday, March 24, 2008 - 02:08 AM UTC
Looks good so far.
My understanding of the RSO was that it was used primarily on the easterm front. You might want to see if there are references for it being deployed in Normandy.
Just a suggestion and I can't say definitively if it was or wasn't used there.
madspaniard
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Posted: Monday, March 24, 2008 - 06:49 AM UTC
Thanks a lot for your comments.
The Rso/03 was in the 21st Panzer Division in Caen Normandie in 1944.
The Rso/01 was in the Eastern Front in large numbers.
I began the ground work, and I would be glad if you give me your opinion.I must paint and drybrush the floor.


thanks a lot
Pedro
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Posted: Monday, March 24, 2008 - 09:30 PM UTC
By no "authority".

Judging by the photos I've seen of the RSO, I think only one or two of those were from the western front, so judging from that, the vehicle was mainly used on the eastern front.

And RSO is short for: Raupenschleper Ost - again an indication that this vehicle was build for the eastern front - not that it can be concluded based on this!

And last but not least, that seem to be the opinion of many of the experts at http://forum.axishistory.com/

And I'm not one to argue with their conclusions!

But hey, I simply wanted to point out that it was an unusual vehicle on the western front!

regards,
Steen
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 04:11 AM UTC
i like it a lot
i will follow this one...
bazooka
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 04:49 AM UTC
The last guy in the line has on a cammo smock, not winter clothes. He is from Dragon's
"Battle of the Hedgerows" kit.
Linkage:
http://www.geschenk-hobby.de/cgi-bin/bildg/bildg.pl?nr=dra6025&name=German%20Infantry%20Battle%20of%20the%20Hedgerows%201944%201:35

Shaun
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 05:38 AM UTC

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The last guy in the line has on a cammo smock, not winter clothes. He is from Dragon's
"Battle of the Hedgerows" kit.
Linkage:
http://www.geschenk-hobby.de/cgi-bin/bildg/bildg.pl?nr=dra6025&name=German%20Infantry%20Battle%20of%20the%20Hedgerows%201944%201:35

Shaun



Right. And what did I say about 14 posts up?

Haha.

Rob
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 06:56 AM UTC
Yes Robert and Shaun, you are both absolutly right.
Thanks
Pedro
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 09:30 AM UTC
[quote]By no "authority".

http://forum.axishistory.com/

And I'm not one to argue with their conclusions!


regards,
Steen
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Just been to the forum and found a thread in which David Lehmann a member of the forum staff posts

"RSO in Normandy in 1944 (British Pathe movie # 1897.01)

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=45366

and it states 27,950 Steyr RSO were built. I can't image the photo of the captured one was the only solitary one in France, and even then one is enough to validate Pedros diorama set up, not that it needed it.

In tha thread it also shows a link to a Canadian Museum
http://www.dana-nield.com/vimy/RSO.asp

I'd guess they got it when the Canadians captured it fighting in Europe.......

Time to enjoy Pedro's work and not nitpick over a "fact" which isn't the case.

Alan
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