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Posted: Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 11:08 AM UTC
All in fun, Mike (and Darren), all in fun. I don't even know why I'm pestering you guys since I'm not even in this campaign

With the camo, colors aside, I'd guess it all depends if you want to enhance or soften the angles of the Ramm. Also, since it would be used in an urban setting the sharp straight lines would blend into the background better and maybe that would also be a deciding factor of color choice, IMO.

Keep up the great work guys!
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Posted: Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 12:47 PM UTC
For all of you that are not nearly as "color-challenged" as I.....an update on the camo thoughts:



Basically, regardless of layout, I'm thinking of a sharp-edge camo scheme using dark yellow, German olive green, and chocolate brown (the colors I've attempted to depict in this latest installment). The only question I would have, would be: Should the dark yellow be the primary color, the German Olive Green the secondary, and the chocolate brown the 3rd color?

What I'm wondering is, should I shoot the hull in dark yellow, fill in with the green, and "highlight" with the brown? (in essense, make the majorority of the color yellow, add a fair amount of green, and then thin bands of brown?)

Mike

P.S. sorry 'bout the post with the glaring color "issues!"
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Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 12:50 PM UTC
My oh my oh my....it's OCTOBER!

Finally have my modeling "shop" back in shape after my son's moving back in. Busy as heck at work, but....I got some paint on!

I went to the LHS some time back and asked about an appropriate "red" for German WWII primer; what they suggested, and I bought, was Vallejo's "Hull Red." Not having used Vallejo before, I learned a couple of things: guess ya gotta "nip" the end of the tip? I squeezed the bottle and got half the bottle in the mixin' jar and the other half on my hands, bench, and shirt? Crud. The only Acrylic thinner I have is Tamiya's, so I mixed it, at least to my thoughts, pretty thin. Hmmmmm. When I hooked the bottle up to the AB, I got pretty good spatter (credit to Vallejo, even spatters seem to flow)....AB pressure was about 20PSI. Dunno.

Anyhow, without further ado, 'er it is:





IS this a proper color??

Mike

p.s. Ingnore the "lighter" circles.....west setting sun plays havoc in my shop...least till I get a shade up. Heheheh.
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Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 06:25 PM UTC
Well it is red brown looking.
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Posted: Friday, October 03, 2008 - 12:07 PM UTC
Just got done putting the base coat of Dunkelgelb on the ramm hull. Still not 100% sure on how I'm going to do the camo......but I'm leaning hard to using "silly putty" to demarkate the colors versus tape. We'll see. I'll post a pic or two tomorrow of the DG....the tank body got Tamiya and the hull got Model Master (both acrylics).

Mike

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Well it is red brown looking.
Darren, ya think??
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Posted: Friday, October 03, 2008 - 01:38 PM UTC
a very clean build, i like the 2nd camo grid better... its shaping up nicely ... intense scratching m8
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Posted: Friday, October 03, 2008 - 08:03 PM UTC
Hi Mike,

I haven't checked you thread in some time. I see you referenced my E-100. Here it is:





My idea was to break-up the lines of the tank by painting irregular shapes with sharp edges. Still, I don't think it looks that good, my other E-100 was more of an eye-catcher:

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Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 04:34 AM UTC
Well, after much internal debate as to how I was going to do the paint, I've finally begun (this is a "test" phase, so we'll see how it goes):

Base coat of DunkelGelb:



I'm using Tamiya's wide tape. I took a strip that would be long enough to go from side to side of the hull, stuck it to a small plate of glass, marked a reference center line and marked the two halves:

Then I used a #11 to cut some angles:


I placed the tape on the hull (in this case, this will be for the first "stripe" of OlivGrun) where I wanted it, and then (as I'm only doing one stripe at the moment) I put two strips of tape on to protect from overspray:

Paint down:

And tape removed:



I'm keeping the initial cut pieces of tape with the intent of reversing the sides they went on and shooting another color in there. Probably doesn't make sense, but when this stripe is fully dried, you'll see what I mean.

Mike
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Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 05:14 AM UTC
By sliding the tape pieces over, I was able to get this:


Yea, a little bleed over as I mis-mixed the ShocoladenBraun, but that should be easy enough to fix. The hard part is going to be wrapping the bands around the back and nose.

Mike
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Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 06:09 AM UTC
Second dark band is on:


This is pretty much how it's going to go...wider bands of the DG with narrower bands of OG and SB.

Mike
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Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 11:09 AM UTC
One more "teaser" pic for now:

I'll put one more OG/SB band across the nose and probably two more in the back end, one over the top and back and another at the back.

When that AB work is done, I'll take an uber-small brush and clean up missed areas and overspray.

Your thoughts all??

Mike
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Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 12:56 PM UTC
Do you and Darren happen to have Spielberger's Tiger und seine Abarten? In in are design drawings for the RammTiger, and 2 pictures of a model to examplify the drawings.

The hull underneath the ramming shell is quite different than a standard VK-4501(p). Also, I can't seem to deny the idea that the whole shell is detachable.

If you both like, I can scan that page and send it to you.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 03:12 PM UTC
Herbert,

I don't happen to have that particular, tho it is on my wish list. I'd be very happy to see a scan of that page or pages....most definitely!

With regards to the shell/hull....it would seem plausible that a "older" tank chassis would have been given new life with the inclusion of a removeable armored battering ram...allowing repair/replacement of the hull and/or easier repairs to the "donor" tank.

Any design "details" would probably be too late to incorporate into our current builds, but I've had enough fun (not to mention learning/doing new things) that any documentation would be appreciated, looked at, and kept for the future. I dio with a Ausf. A and Ausf. B RammTiger could be interesting.

Thanks!

Mike
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Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 06:10 PM UTC
That is going to look very cool, Mike! Colors look great, too
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Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 09:07 PM UTC
Some time ago I saw a built Maus for sale on eBay by a builder from Germany. It had a rather peculiar camo pattern that was straight edged, somewhat more triangulated rather than fully banded, but yours reminds me a bit of it. I emailed him to ask about it and he called it "carpet camouflage" and said it was used in late 1945 on a few vehicles. Have you ever heard of it?

BTW: Shaping up to a very neat looking beastie!
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Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 10:32 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Some time ago I saw a built Maus for sale on eBay by a builder from Germany. It had a rather peculiar camo pattern that was straight edged, somewhat more triangulated rather than fully banded, but yours reminds me a bit of it. I emailed him to ask about it and he called it "carpet camouflage" and said it was used in late 1945 on a few vehicles. Have you ever heard of it?

BTW: Shaping up to a very neat looking beastie!


His fantasy.

Camo on German Panzers in 1945 was hard edged factory applied, I have no where ever read anything about a "carpet camouflage".

As to late 1945, the new orders for July '45 were to apply Dunkel Gelb in wandering bands over the Oliv Grün basecoat. A single Tiger-B is photographed with this new camouflage.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 - 08:31 AM UTC
camo definitely looks late war, a little like the Muuncheberg panzer division's Panther G's. looks great breaks that massive chunk of metal up
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Posted: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 - 04:50 PM UTC

Quoted Text


Quoted Text

Some time ago I saw a built Maus for sale on eBay by a builder from Germany. It had a rather peculiar camo pattern that was straight edged, somewhat more triangulated rather than fully banded, but yours reminds me a bit of it. I emailed him to ask about it and he called it "carpet camouflage" and said it was used in late 1945 on a few vehicles. Have you ever heard of it?

BTW: Shaping up to a very neat looking beastie!


His fantasy.

Camo on German Panzers in 1945 was hard edged factory applied, I have no where ever read anything about a "carpet camouflage".

As to late 1945, the new orders for July '45 were to apply Dunkel Gelb in wandering bands over the Oliv Grün basecoat. A single Tiger-B is photographed with this new camouflage.


I tried to find a reference to it after he told me what it was called and never could find even a mention of it. One thing I've learned from this forum is that it's best not to take an absolutist position on anything, but I think "Carpet Camo" is a safe one to do so with. I had previously posted asking about it after first seeing it and wasn't graced with a reply. BTW: the model sold for about $400.00 USD.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 - 10:20 PM UTC
Hebert I do not have the title mentioned, and the ref material I do have is not the best as some of it goes back 40 years, any help anyone can give is always gratefully received. The input from various people (both positive and negative) on my thread has changed my RammTiger so much that I must have used enough Plasticard to make four RammTiger’s.
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Posted: Friday, October 10, 2008 - 02:58 PM UTC
Hey guys, thanks for the comments. Much appreciated.

Spent some time in the cave tonight....taping and spraying.

Couple of shots of the RammKitty taped up in preparation for paint:




And the end result:








There are a couple of areas that I taped "short" or didn't quite catch or had this' or that's in the way(some overspray and the like). I'll clean those areas up this weekend. But, all in all, the AB'ing on the hull is done. Whew.

I'll pop open the back doors and lay them flat against the rear...then attempt to mimic the camo pattern to hull....just for chits and grins.

Thoughts or comments??

Mike
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Posted: Friday, October 10, 2008 - 04:41 PM UTC
I love the camo pattern that you have. It really makes it stand out. Side note, I wonder what happen to the rest of the builds??? Not to many have or are being built.
Keep up the great work.
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Posted: Friday, October 10, 2008 - 10:30 PM UTC
Looking good Mike and you did a good job of getting around the angles. Kim Mike and I said the same thing about the number of in-production and finished RammTigers.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 - 12:13 PM UTC
Did the final "touch up" paint on the camo bands tonight and added the "commader's" hatch. The top of the hatch has the dunkel gelb base and a band of the schoco braun. The black thing on the inside of the hatch is the head pad. I used TB's drawings on his site to figure size and shape. I also opened the rear hull hatch doors and basically carried the camo to the inside.



Next up? Mmmmm....stupid tracks.

Mike
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Posted: Sunday, December 07, 2008 - 09:37 AM UTC
Yea, it's been ages. But I've got a couple of "firsts" for me here.

First time doing a wash. I used Windsor & Newton's "raw umber" overall. Gave the chassis, road wheels, Ramm hull, and varous other parts a wash:






The DS tracks: Glued them together...the AB'd them in flat black, followed by flat earth, and finally a dry brush of silver:



Now's the time for constructive critisism for the wash and tracks. Am I on the right track or am I out there in left-field?

Mike
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