I've purchased a Tamiya 1/35 T-34/76 model 1943 ChTZ production, not for the tanks, but for the extra thing that come with it (Degtyarev MG, PTRD-41 anti-tank rifle, etc), so this will my first T-34 ever (I've only build modern Russian armor, until now)... Well, according to the plans included in the book T-34 Mythical weapon (a friend's book), the UTZ production turret looks quite simmilar, (and I think I haven't seen a ChTZ tank in the plans... I don't have the book right now) so, is the Tamiya designation correct?... Another thing: I decided to replace the tracks, what kind of tracks will be the right one for this variant? I also need the brand and code of course... I decided to build is mostly OOB, I'll only need a few missing details, because the kit look good for me... Thanks a lot in advance. Most regards.
José
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Info needed about Tamiya T-34/76
clay_cliff
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Posted: Friday, July 18, 2008 - 05:06 AM UTC
GeraldOwens
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Posted: Friday, July 18, 2008 - 11:32 AM UTC
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I've purchased a Tamiya 1/35 T-34/76 model 1943 ChTZ production, not for the tanks, but for the extra thing that come with it (Degtyarev MG, PTRD-41 anti-tank rifle, etc), so this will my first T-34 ever (I've only build modern Russian armor, until now)... Well, according to the plans included in the book T-34 Mythical weapon (a friend's book), the UTZ production turret looks quite simmilar, (and I think I haven't seen a ChTZ tank in the plans... I don't have the book right now) so, is the Tamiya designation correct?... Another thing: I decided to replace the tracks, what kind of tracks will be the right one for this variant? I also need the brand and code of course... I decided to build is mostly OOB, I'll only need a few missing details, because the kit look good for me... Thanks a lot in advance. Most regards.
José
ChTZ was the assembly plant. They didn't make the turrets, Uralmash did. Tamiya's designation is misleading. The Tamiya kit itself is well molded and easy to build, but not all that accurate. It's a bit overscale, about 1/33rd (to make room for the electric motor Tamiya used to include), and the angles of the hull sides are a bit off, making the width of the top deck wrong as well. The Dragon kits, and even the Zvezda kits, are better in overall dimensional accuracy (though Zvezda's need a lot of aftermarket stuff, including new tracks, to make them presentable).
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Posted: Friday, July 18, 2008 - 12:49 PM UTC
Go for it a nice kit and in the long run it looks like a T-34.
I don't think Dragon has done a chTZ.
Also Armo made a Resin turret I think now out of production.
I don't think Dragon has done a chTZ.
Also Armo made a Resin turret I think now out of production.
clay_cliff
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Posted: Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 06:45 AM UTC
Thank you for your replies... Well, I've compared it to a friend's finished T-34/85 from Zvezda and they are almost the same size... I'm thinnking about purchasing another one of Tamiya's T-34/76 (maybe model 1942?) Now what about the replacement tracks? I think my kit will need them. Best regards.
José
José
MCR
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Posted: Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 08:20 AM UTC
Actually, the Tamiya kits are a little too wide (about 3 scale inches across the fenders) due to the side angles being off by around 5 degrees but otherwise scales out "fairly" well. They are not 1/33rd.
The kits have many small problems and a few large ones (the side angles and a transmission cover that's almost 1/10th of an inch too "deep" are the most noticeable).
But with that said I have seen some really remarkable work based on those old beasts.
The Italeri/Zvezda kits seem to have been a based on the Tamiya hull (though the turret, engine deck, and driver's hatch are sized more correctly.
Several years ago I started writing an article on improving the Tamiya T-34/76. It was never finished but if you are interested I could send along what I still have on my hard drive.
Mark
The kits have many small problems and a few large ones (the side angles and a transmission cover that's almost 1/10th of an inch too "deep" are the most noticeable).
But with that said I have seen some really remarkable work based on those old beasts.
The Italeri/Zvezda kits seem to have been a based on the Tamiya hull (though the turret, engine deck, and driver's hatch are sized more correctly.
Several years ago I started writing an article on improving the Tamiya T-34/76. It was never finished but if you are interested I could send along what I still have on my hard drive.
Mark
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Posted: Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 02:24 PM UTC
Of course I'm interested... This will be my first T-34 and I want it to look very well... my e-mail is [email protected]... Thanks a lot in advance! Best regards.
José
José
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Posted: Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 10:33 AM UTC
This is good info on the Tamiya kit. I've been contemplating a T34 build myself (if I can ever finish my trucks).
Mark, I'm interested as well. If your offer still stands. PM me for my email addess.
Thanks,
Jim
Mark, I'm interested as well. If your offer still stands. PM me for my email addess.
Thanks,
Jim
Finch
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Posted: Monday, July 21, 2008 - 12:19 AM UTC
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Mark, how about sending that to Boresight for publication ? We'd love to print your words of wisdom - you seem to be da man when it comes to T-34 kit issues.
Several years ago I started writing an article on improving the Tamiya T-34/76. It was never finished but if you are interested I could send along what I still have on my hard drive.
Mark
- Danny ([email protected])
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Posted: Monday, July 21, 2008 - 12:30 AM UTC
Fitting replacement tracks on the Tamyia kit is a problem! Thanks once again to the motorization disease, the idlers are fitted a little too far back and on a straight-through axle and not a moveable arm. As the T-34s track uses two different links it can be very difficult adjusting them to fit and you might even have to resort to half-linking.
David
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Posted: Monday, July 21, 2008 - 06:25 AM UTC
Hi Jose, this was my first T-34 too.
It builds up great out of the box if you're not too fussed about the dimensions.
- One big issue are the two towing hooks on the front glacis that should not be there and are due to Tamiya copying the Aberdeen proving ground T-34, that had them welded on post-war.
- I fitted DML T-34 tracks to my Tamiya kit, and although they have a bit more sag than is probably accuate they fit ok.
- The main fix i'd recomend is building a replacement grill for the engine deck, I scratchbuilt mine which was a fair bit of work, although most PE kits will supply one for you.
One big tip would be to get a copy of this months military modelling which has a detailled article on overhauling this kit. Its a UK magazine, not sure how easy it'll be to get in Peru though!
Good luck,
James
It builds up great out of the box if you're not too fussed about the dimensions.
- One big issue are the two towing hooks on the front glacis that should not be there and are due to Tamiya copying the Aberdeen proving ground T-34, that had them welded on post-war.
- I fitted DML T-34 tracks to my Tamiya kit, and although they have a bit more sag than is probably accuate they fit ok.
- The main fix i'd recomend is building a replacement grill for the engine deck, I scratchbuilt mine which was a fair bit of work, although most PE kits will supply one for you.
One big tip would be to get a copy of this months military modelling which has a detailled article on overhauling this kit. Its a UK magazine, not sure how easy it'll be to get in Peru though!
Good luck,
James
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Posted: Friday, July 25, 2008 - 03:56 PM UTC
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Quoted TextMark, how about sending that to Boresight for publication ? We'd love to print your words of wisdom - you seem to be da man when it comes to T-34 kit issues.
Several years ago I started writing an article on improving the Tamiya T-34/76. It was never finished but if you are interested I could send along what I still have on my hard drive.
Mark
- Danny ([email protected])
Funny you should say that. Boresight did an article about ten years ago comparing every T-34 variant on the market at the time, including all of the Tamiya offerings.
Not long after that Boresight also did another article which published all of the major dimensions and angles on each of the kits.
I'm sure someone here has access to those and would be willing to share them with you.
I'm not sure of the dates, but one of them had a variant of one of the T-34 pictured on the cover.
MCR
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Posted: Saturday, July 26, 2008 - 05:41 PM UTC
I've only been an AMPS member off and on so, not surprisingly, I missed that issue!
I'd like to see it though.
Mark
I'd like to see it though.
Mark
clay_cliff
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Posted: Sunday, July 27, 2008 - 03:58 AM UTC
Only one question to be answered: Aftermarket track for this version?... I think that there are Friulmodel and Modelkasten T-34 tracks, but which one?...
MCR
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Posted: Sunday, July 27, 2008 - 05:03 AM UTC
I don't have the Fruil tracks (to me they look a bit too thick) but if you want to go for ModelKasten the most appropriate would probably be SK-34 "T-34M.42".
I know that RPM/Maquette make some very inexpensive tracks of the same general pattern as the SK-34 but in my experience you need at least two sets due to poor molding. But they look pretty good when assembled and painted.
Mark
I know that RPM/Maquette make some very inexpensive tracks of the same general pattern as the SK-34 but in my experience you need at least two sets due to poor molding. But they look pretty good when assembled and painted.
Mark
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Posted: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 03:04 AM UTC
Hey sorry to bring up an old topic. But I'm thinking of doing a ChTZ T-34 soon.
Would it be possible to take a DML T-34 kit and fit it with an aftermarket turret for Tamiya?
Like this one:
http://www.greatmodels.com/~smartcart/cgi/display.cgi?item_num=CMK3069
I doubt it's too hard to hack the two together. Only problem is, which Dragon hull is the closest?
Would it be possible to take a DML T-34 kit and fit it with an aftermarket turret for Tamiya?
Like this one:
http://www.greatmodels.com/~smartcart/cgi/display.cgi?item_num=CMK3069
I doubt it's too hard to hack the two together. Only problem is, which Dragon hull is the closest?
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Posted: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 04:46 AM UTC
Now there's a tough question, the forged turret went on hulls built in the Ural factory group, while the Dragon kits are mostly based on Zavod 112 hulls. You might have to consider the 1944 version of the -85 and make further small changes to the hull like the hinges on the hull rear.
David
David
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Posted: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 05:32 AM UTC
The simple answer is yes. The best tank to use as a base is one of the 1944 T34-85 kits. You will need to nodify the nose to the rounded type, and most of those tanks, if not all, had the dished road wheels. The turret opening will need to be filled in as the ring on the 85 was smaller than the 76.
If only DML would do that 1943 tank all these problems would be solved.
If only DML would do that 1943 tank all these problems would be solved.
BorisS
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Posted: Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 03:15 AM UTC
Yea that may not be the best path. At over $30 for the turret, plus around $40 for the tank and then you have to buy roadwheels.
But then again, the T-34 is a pretty simple tank as far as shape and form go. You would probably be better off rebuilding the hull with sheet styrene.
Well DML have the ChTZ (with all these arguements, I'm still not sure what the proper name would be. So I'll just stick with ChTZ, it's what everyone knows) model in 48th, hopefully a 1/35th model is in the future somewhere.
You would actually probably be better off mating the original Tamiya kit with the DML T-34/85 instead of trying to fit the conversion turret on.
The Tamiya kit is slightly cheaper and you get the wheels, plus probably a few other little detail bits that would come in handy.
And then you got a whole Tamiya hull left over that you can later use as a wreck or something.
But then again, the T-34 is a pretty simple tank as far as shape and form go. You would probably be better off rebuilding the hull with sheet styrene.
Well DML have the ChTZ (with all these arguements, I'm still not sure what the proper name would be. So I'll just stick with ChTZ, it's what everyone knows) model in 48th, hopefully a 1/35th model is in the future somewhere.
You would actually probably be better off mating the original Tamiya kit with the DML T-34/85 instead of trying to fit the conversion turret on.
The Tamiya kit is slightly cheaper and you get the wheels, plus probably a few other little detail bits that would come in handy.
And then you got a whole Tamiya hull left over that you can later use as a wreck or something.
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Posted: Monday, August 18, 2008 - 10:35 AM UTC
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You will need to nodify the nose to the rounded type, and most of those tanks, if not all, had the dished road wheels. The turret opening will need to be filled in as the ring on the 85 was smaller than the 76.
If only DML would do that 1943 tank all these problems would be solved.
Quite so !
I think you meant to write that the T-34-85 turret ring is slightly larger, 1640mm vs. about 1400mm if I recall correctly.
m4sherman
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Posted: Monday, August 18, 2008 - 10:40 AM UTC
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Quoted TextYou will need to nodify the nose to the rounded type, and most of those tanks, if not all, had the dished road wheels. The turret opening will need to be filled in as the ring on the 85 was smaller than the 76.
If only DML would do that 1943 tank all these problems would be solved.
Quite so !
I think you meant to write that the T-34-85 turret ring is slightly larger, 1640mm vs. about 1400mm if I recall correctly.
My excuse is dyslexia and I'm sticking it too!
(yes, I have this condition)
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