Thanks for the comments and suggestions, gentlemen!
I previously did a search on available and suitable constructionvehicles and the JCB was one of the few I found and the most affordable one at that.
@Thomo: I know of the T34 being recovered. That was one of the things that sparked this idea!
@ Jan: The steelplates are allready under construction. It was suggested on another forum too!
@Michael: Can you help me out on the vehicle and manufacturer you suggested? I can't find anything on either one...
Progress on this one will not be that fast, as I have to work on other this too and I want to finish them first...
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yeahwiggie
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Posted: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 08:30 PM UTC
alanmac
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 12:12 AM UTC
Hi
After Michaels post I did a bit of Googling and came up with this
Revell kits
I know nothing about them or if it's the one Michael refers to. Note the three kits are scaled as 1/32. Scroll down page to find them.
Hope it helps
Alan
After Michaels post I did a bit of Googling and came up with this
Revell kits
I know nothing about them or if it's the one Michael refers to. Note the three kits are scaled as 1/32. Scroll down page to find them.
Hope it helps
Alan
yeahwiggie
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 12:37 AM UTC
Thanks Alan,
So RoG stands for Revell of Germany.... should've known..
My son actually has the Liebherr R900 and I think it is not all that good. Looks even more toy-ish than the Joal-machines + the scale is off, too.
So RoG stands for Revell of Germany.... should've known..
My son actually has the Liebherr R900 and I think it is not all that good. Looks even more toy-ish than the Joal-machines + the scale is off, too.
alanmac
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 12:57 AM UTC
Hi Ron
Yes I didn't know if they were the same , but you pointing out the RoG bit confirms it.
The only other alternative I can think of is an army ARRV . I saw that the pulling out of the mud/river sequence of the Stug that's been doing the rounds on various sites, look like they roped in the Army to help them.
Stug - lots of pics
Takes a while to load because of all the pictures. There are other better accounts of this, but I couldn't find them at the moment. They finally get the whole thing out in others I've seen and read.
Alan
Yes I didn't know if they were the same , but you pointing out the RoG bit confirms it.
The only other alternative I can think of is an army ARRV . I saw that the pulling out of the mud/river sequence of the Stug that's been doing the rounds on various sites, look like they roped in the Army to help them.
Stug - lots of pics
Takes a while to load because of all the pictures. There are other better accounts of this, but I couldn't find them at the moment. They finally get the whole thing out in others I've seen and read.
Alan
calvin2000
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 01:48 AM UTC
this site has pictures of it being pulled out and emptied of some interesting personal items that were found inside the Stug IV. http://grzegorzew.pl/galeria/czolg/index.html 
calvin2000
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 01:49 AM UTC
This site has pictures of it being pulled out and emptied some interesting personal items were found inside the Stug IV. http://grzegorzew.pl/galeria/czolg/index.html
Later, Kelly
Later, Kelly
alanmac
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 02:06 AM UTC
Hi
Yes that's the one I was thinking of Kelly. Well done. I visit so much stuff I forget where I saw references, links etc. Probably my age
well that's what my daughter tells me and she should know after all she's a teenager and they of course know everything. 
Alan
Yes that's the one I was thinking of Kelly. Well done. I visit so much stuff I forget where I saw references, links etc. Probably my age
well that's what my daughter tells me and she should know after all she's a teenager and they of course know everything. Alan
210cav
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 02:12 AM UTC
Quoted Text
This site has pictures of it being pulled out and emptied some interesting personal items were found inside the Stug IV. http://grzegorzew.pl/galeria/czolg/index.html
Later, Kelly
Kelly-- fantastic find. I would imagine if they tried that in the US we would still be waiting for the EPA to show up and declare the site safe foe excavation. Those guys are removing live ammunition that has been in the water for over sixty years without blinking an eyelash. Really interesting series of photos.
thanks
DJ
yeahwiggie
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 03:07 AM UTC
Indeed a great site. Wonderfull referencematerial!!
I knew of the T-34 and the Stug III, but this is is awesome too!
I knew of the T-34 and the Stug III, but this is is awesome too!
calvin2000
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 03:46 AM UTC
Your right they handle the shells as if it was fire wood No big deal. over here we would have blown the stug up and the bridge for good measure.... cant be too safe you know
What I would like to know is about the boot. why is that there.
Kelly
What I would like to know is about the boot. why is that there.
Kelly
calvin2000
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 03:47 AM UTC
Your right they handle the shells as if it was fire wood No big deal. over here we would have blown the stug up and the bridge for good measure.... cant be too safe you know
Kelly
Kelly
210cav
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 03:52 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Your right they handle the shells as if it was fire wood No big deal. over here we would have blown the stug up and the bridge for good measure.... cant be too safe you know
What I would like to know is about the boot. why is that there.
Kelly
Probably the guy who was caught in it as she slid beneath the water wanted to get out quickly and lost one of his boots
yeahwiggie
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 03:46 AM UTC
It's been a while, but it's still there!
My 250/6 is ready to get airbrushed, my 251/2 has to dry in order to prepare it for it's paintjob and the rest has to wait untill their campaigns start, so I started tinkering on this one again.
I have been experimenting with the trees and with those steelplates you see on constructionsites in order to give heavy equipment something to drive over.
The trees are dried Spireatwigs from my backyard and the plates are old insurancecards. It heated those up, so they would get a deformed look. Then I glue them together and, when dried, I pressed them into the wet underground to achieve the look as if they were pressed into the soil.
Here are some pictures
The card/steelplates;
With vehicle;
A better look at the trees;
And an overall look;
My 250/6 is ready to get airbrushed, my 251/2 has to dry in order to prepare it for it's paintjob and the rest has to wait untill their campaigns start, so I started tinkering on this one again.
I have been experimenting with the trees and with those steelplates you see on constructionsites in order to give heavy equipment something to drive over.
The trees are dried Spireatwigs from my backyard and the plates are old insurancecards. It heated those up, so they would get a deformed look. Then I glue them together and, when dried, I pressed them into the wet underground to achieve the look as if they were pressed into the soil.
Here are some pictures
The card/steelplates;
With vehicle;
A better look at the trees;
And an overall look;
newfish
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 04:25 AM UTC
Ron nice to see your getting on with this intereasting diorama!.
Im looking foward to seeing you replicate the various mud and water
are you going to repaint the JCB?
Im looking foward to seeing you replicate the various mud and water
are you going to repaint the JCB?
pzkfwmk6
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 04:51 AM UTC
Hi Ron, first, great dio idea! Second, JCB has more than enough power to do what you envision. Third, the steel road plates are a good idea, but our excavation guys would have put down mud mats. These are woven steel cable mats, think of 20mm steel cables woven like bug screen. We put these down just like the plates, but on mud they offer some traction.
Also may want to consider having the tank attached via a pulley with the cable anchored to a large tree and then to the JCB. Distributes the load better than a direct pull.
Just thoughts, good work, keep going!!!
Also may want to consider having the tank attached via a pulley with the cable anchored to a large tree and then to the JCB. Distributes the load better than a direct pull.
Just thoughts, good work, keep going!!!
Desmoquattro
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 04:54 AM UTC
Quoted Text
This site has pictures of it being pulled out and emptied some interesting personal items were found inside the Stug IV. http://grzegorzew.pl/galeria/czolg/index.html
Later, Kelly
I can tell you, without shame, that I would have totally swiped that pristine MP44 and put it onto my mantle.
Amazing. Wonder what happened to the gun and superstructure? If the ammo is intact, and the personal kit isn't obliterated, it doesn't look like it cooked off.
martyncrowther
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 05:17 AM UTC
Ron, this does look interesting.Great start!
Martyn
Martyn
GibsonSG
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 05:28 AM UTC
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I really like the concept but from a realistic point of view, I don't think that it will work. from looking at your proposed layout, you want to show the front end loader pulling the tank out of the pond, right? The biggest problem that I can see would be traction. Even is the Loader would have enough power to pull the tank up and out of the water (which I doubt), lack of traction would prevent it from doing so
I have to agree Michael a front end loader would likely need to be pulled up a steep muddy slope like that. I used to run logging equipment (skidders front end loaders dozers etc ) we got a skidder stuck in the mud it was a Cat 525 which weighs about 20 tons and it was running so it had power to the wheels. It took another 525 and a Cat D6 to pull it out and it was only stuck up to the belly pan we were also on flat ground.
Awsome idea though and it will look wicked when done . Maybe you could show the loader really slipping and sliding
dioman13
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Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 05:27 AM UTC
Ron, good idea. not only salvaging a headach, but bring the past and the present together for a history leason. Your bucket loader will work as there are so many different types out there. I bought one in 1/35th at my local dollar store for 3,00 u.s. Plastic kids sandbox toy but it beats the cost of migs and as like you, a little gizmology and whalla...instant mean machine.
yeahwiggie
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Posted: Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 01:24 AM UTC
So......
there's been a mjor change of plans!
i tried working on the JCB, but it turned into a fiasco. The metal is way to difficult to work with. I would have to rebuild the cabin completely and the axles would have to be scratched too. Offcourse, I could cover that area with mud completeley, but that would do the overall look no good.
Other major rework parts would be the enginecompartment and the underside with the cables and steps. Basically the entire vehicle would have to be build from the ground up!
So I am going for plan B; a former Sovjet recoverytank, the VT-34.
It will be shown as used as a civilian vehicle and I am planning on using a Zvezda T-34 for it.
I allready need to replace the wheels for that....
wish me luck!
there's been a mjor change of plans!
i tried working on the JCB, but it turned into a fiasco. The metal is way to difficult to work with. I would have to rebuild the cabin completely and the axles would have to be scratched too. Offcourse, I could cover that area with mud completeley, but that would do the overall look no good.
Other major rework parts would be the enginecompartment and the underside with the cables and steps. Basically the entire vehicle would have to be build from the ground up!
So I am going for plan B; a former Sovjet recoverytank, the VT-34.
It will be shown as used as a civilian vehicle and I am planning on using a Zvezda T-34 for it.
I allready need to replace the wheels for that....
wish me luck!
goldnova72
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Posted: Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 04:40 PM UTC
Just think ,if you built this in HO (!/87) scale it would be a piece of cake . A Prieser dozer or loader and a Roco mini tank . Which ever you decide , JCB or VT its a great idea for a diorama. There's been how many tanks recovered in the past few years and you seem to be the first to replicate this scene . How did the rest of us miss this idea??? Can't wait to see your finished diorama . Jim 
newfish
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Posted: Monday, May 04, 2009 - 01:40 AM UTC
Ron now your talking!
that seems allot better!,
One question... Is this diorama going to include a 250 or 251 varient?
that seems allot better!,
One question... Is this diorama going to include a 250 or 251 varient?
yeahwiggie
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Posted: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 06:21 AM UTC
No, not this time..... but I have a similar idea with a 251-hull....
I've been doing some searching and came up with this:
(thanks to a walk around by Marcel Jussen)
Looking at the wheels, I thought that they are similat to those of a T54A. Is that correct?
And are these available seperately?
The same question goes for the tools, are these to be found anywhere in 1/35?
thanks Ron
I've been doing some searching and came up with this:
(thanks to a walk around by Marcel Jussen)
Looking at the wheels, I thought that they are similat to those of a T54A. Is that correct?
And are these available seperately?
The same question goes for the tools, are these to be found anywhere in 1/35?
thanks Ron
trooper82
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Posted: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 11:46 AM UTC
This looks Like a great Diorama in the making. The concept has been done before although not widely publicised. Nevertheless it is one that I will enjoy watching progress.
http://panzermodelkit.valka.cz/bornaj.htm
Paul
http://panzermodelkit.valka.cz/bornaj.htm
Paul
trooper82
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Posted: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 12:15 PM UTC
" I've been doing some searching and came up with this:
(thanks to a walk around by Marcel Jussen)"
Have you seen the model by Marcel Jussen over at Missing Lynx , further reference for you
Paul
(thanks to a walk around by Marcel Jussen)"
Have you seen the model by Marcel Jussen over at Missing Lynx , further reference for you
Paul
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