I too can recommend the Advanced Terrain Modelling book - I got my copy a couple of weeks ago from the Osprey website.
John
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johndon

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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2008 - 08:44 AM UTC

lespauljames

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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2008 - 08:58 AM UTC
thanks for your rwsponces guys, chas i ahve been meaning to go hedge hunting but the good weather is when im trapped in college, it usually rains when im outside!
John and jim, budget means no book at the moment, and college leaves me little time for a job, i was up from 5pm to 2 am writing a musical last night.
but i will look into it in the future
Bob i understand roots are the way forward and i wil go for a rummage tomorrow
John and jim, budget means no book at the moment, and college leaves me little time for a job, i was up from 5pm to 2 am writing a musical last night.
but i will look into it in the future
Bob i understand roots are the way forward and i wil go for a rummage tomorrow

dazzer

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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2008 - 09:04 AM UTC
Hi Jimmy
I think you had the right idea, but it just needs some vegetation on it, Have you tried any of the woodland scenics stuff, they do foliage of different colours, I'm sure they do a tree making kit type thing ( crap tree trunks) use your own.
Every one says go for roots as trees, but to me these are not trees, they seem to small height wise yes but they have no grith to them ,next time your walking down the road try and get your arms around a really tall tree you'll see what I mean
Don't get me wrong I'm not moaning at you or anyone on here they just seem to small. I have the osprey book modeling the tiger and on the front cover and page 25 fat trees
keep with it and you will get there (fat or small it's up to you)
thanks Darren
I think you had the right idea, but it just needs some vegetation on it, Have you tried any of the woodland scenics stuff, they do foliage of different colours, I'm sure they do a tree making kit type thing ( crap tree trunks) use your own.
Every one says go for roots as trees, but to me these are not trees, they seem to small height wise yes but they have no grith to them ,next time your walking down the road try and get your arms around a really tall tree you'll see what I mean
Don't get me wrong I'm not moaning at you or anyone on here they just seem to small. I have the osprey book modeling the tiger and on the front cover and page 25 fat trees
keep with it and you will get there (fat or small it's up to you)
thanks Darren

lespauljames

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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2008 - 09:04 AM UTC
Dj thanks, the figure is not yet finished tho:)

Bratushka

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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2008 - 09:19 AM UTC
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Hi Jimmy
.... I have the osprey book modeling the tiger and on the front cover and page 25 fat trees
keep with it and you will get there (fat or small it's up to you)
thanks Darren
Osprey Masterclass, Armor Modelling by John Pringent, or another? The one I have has the Hotchkiss Geschutzenwagen on the front. The first build is the somewhat elusive and almost always overpriced Dragon Tiger I Initial Production, Kit 6252. It inspired me to track down the kit of which I am proud owner of four. I like the final finish which is slightly weathered showing it is has been in use, but not so much to take away from the details. Off topic, but another highly recommended book!

lespauljames

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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 08:06 AM UTC
ok i have been practising tonight with shredded leaves and root branches, i find the shredded leaves hard to look good, as they are to square, im going to try herbs asap

Bratushka

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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 12:28 PM UTC
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ok i have been practising tonight with shredded leaves and root branches, i find the shredded leaves hard to look good, as they are to square, im going to try herbs asap
Check out the Ground Cover - Grunddeckung, item 501 by Ausfwerks at www.ausfwerks.com . I believe they are birch tree seeds and look like tiny leaves. You should be able to find something similar. I have used them and they are great.

lespauljames

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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 12:36 PM UTC
Jim, i have been looking for birch seeds around my local area today at the moment no luck but im off to ahve a look tomorrow, ill report with pics on progress

alanmac

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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 12:50 PM UTC
Jim
I believe the item you are referring to, which I can't find on the site by the way, is the very same birch seeds I directed Jimmy to in a previous posting in this thread. Now with Autumn (you call it Fall) upon us its the time of year, certainly in the UK, to find these. Sometimes commonly referred to as Catkins.
Check out the scrapbooking type craft shops as well by the way. They sell a lot of paper punches, that look like little plastic staplers but are paper punches with pre set designs in each. I found one which had a leaf shape to it. Well it was like a sunflower but by disregarding the centre circle I had all these tiny petal shapes around the outside. Just use coloured paper or even real dried leaves as your base material and off you go. I got mine at a place called Hobbycraft but if you do a search with Google or even ebay you'll find quite a few of them. I've even seen an oak leaf shaped one.
Cheers
Alan
I believe the item you are referring to, which I can't find on the site by the way, is the very same birch seeds I directed Jimmy to in a previous posting in this thread. Now with Autumn (you call it Fall) upon us its the time of year, certainly in the UK, to find these. Sometimes commonly referred to as Catkins.
Check out the scrapbooking type craft shops as well by the way. They sell a lot of paper punches, that look like little plastic staplers but are paper punches with pre set designs in each. I found one which had a leaf shape to it. Well it was like a sunflower but by disregarding the centre circle I had all these tiny petal shapes around the outside. Just use coloured paper or even real dried leaves as your base material and off you go. I got mine at a place called Hobbycraft but if you do a search with Google or even ebay you'll find quite a few of them. I've even seen an oak leaf shaped one.
Cheers
Alan

Bratushka

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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 02:56 PM UTC
Hi Alan: I bought my ground cover back in June. Their website wasn't very easy to navigate. It may have been your post I got the link from because i found it and them thru this forum. I bought 2 bags of them. I think I paid 3.99 USD each. Thy are very realistic in depicting leaves. I don't know much about trees other than I can identify a few species,. I assume birch trees are also in the UK and the rest of Europe?

lespauljames

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Posted: Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 03:26 AM UTC
hello, i have been practising, the fallen tree is bare as it has been down for a while, man and wheel for comparison,
this is primerialy groundwork, trees are in progress









and Mr. Mann remains unfinished!
this is primerialy groundwork, trees are in progress









and Mr. Mann remains unfinished!

modelmaidenwillow

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Posted: Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 03:59 AM UTC
i love this
the leaves look a good scale and the mud looks great



lespauljames

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Posted: Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 09:20 AM UTC
thanks im fairly plaeased myself

Bratushka

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Posted: Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 10:58 PM UTC
what are they? they sort of look like the birch seed i got but longer on the end. much better looking and they look in scale.

alanmac

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Posted: Monday, September 15, 2008 - 12:50 AM UTC
Now ya cooking
Looks great. That's the sort of root/twig you should be aiming for, well done. As mentioned the leaves don't look like the Birch leaves we've discussed, slightly longer, maybe they are a related species, look good though.
All the best
Alan

Looks great. That's the sort of root/twig you should be aiming for, well done. As mentioned the leaves don't look like the Birch leaves we've discussed, slightly longer, maybe they are a related species, look good though.
All the best
Alan

youngc

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Posted: Monday, September 15, 2008 - 01:36 AM UTC
Hi Jimmy,
Leaves, although a bit long for me, do not worry me too much as they blend well with the groundwork and fallen tree.
Looking forward to seeing the completed dio.
Chas
Leaves, although a bit long for me, do not worry me too much as they blend well with the groundwork and fallen tree.
Looking forward to seeing the completed dio.
Chas

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Posted: Friday, October 03, 2008 - 04:59 AM UTC
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what are they? they sort of look like the birch seed i got but longer on the end. much better looking and they look in scale.
The bigger the tree, the bigger the 'leaves'. Those on the left came from a 3" trunked tree, on the right came from a 12" trunk;

I've found that you can easily seperate the pieces by shaking them from a cup into a box lid outside, let the breeze carry away the seed pieces you don't want! You may lose a few of the good pieces, but what the hell, they're cheap!

barbacanosa

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Posted: Friday, October 03, 2008 - 06:04 AM UTC
Hello:
look at this link, maybe you can help
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/113656&page=1

saludos
Domi
look at this link, maybe you can help
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/113656&page=1

saludos
Domi
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