Hi all,

Today I receive M1127 from Trumpeter. Nice version but I look on model nice soda boxes.
"I don`t recall where I see this boxes".
Miloslav

Hmmm....I seem to recall seeing these boxes somewhere before too.......

Bob

Nice.......

Man that is just low?

hehe, by the way trumpeter's LAV-III &LAV-III TUA mould is tooling

Those do look mighty familiar!

Jim

As if other manufacturers weren't guilty of plagarizing. No need to go crying about it now.

Sure-so that makes it all right - everyone else is doing it, so it must be OK. Ever try that on a Police Officer when you get a speeding ticket?
The LAV-III is new tooling - "hehe" I'll wait and see

Jim

Good reply from a company rep. If everyone doesn't know, iamsu7 works for Trumpeter and has been nothing but a jerk on almost every post he replies to. What is up w/this guy?

Great way to treat customers.

It appears here too...

DML M1A1 AIM 1/35

Exactly...The point is that Trumpeter either lifted them from this site, where they were offered as a free download by a member previously, or took them from a Real Model set, who got permission from the modeler here to include them. They took them and slapped their copywrite on it and are claiming them as thiers. Thats pretty low. Then their R&D Director comes and waves it in everyones face with a "he he" that they did it. Really good response.

Ya, probably using Milo's conversions for there masters.

cheers from the sandbox

I dont get it, I mean, you are really being an @ss to him, Gino.
I understand that this isn't okay, but what about all the ohter threads he has started, and you have been critiscising him there too.

Maybe he doesen't know english that well?

You should be thankful, that Trumpeter are bringing these very exciting modern era models to the market...

I dunno man....

HMMM, I see it differently...not being well-versed in English is no excuse for being rude every time he replies.

He hasn't started any of the threads I have responded to. He just attacks people when he perceives them saying something bad about Trumpeter. I am simply defending my statements. He is the one sticking his foot in his mouth and attacking people. I have said nothing derogatory about their products at all, just giving honest reviews and opinions.

I am glad Trumpeter is putting out these models. They should be ashamed of how a senior person in their company is treating its customers though.

Hi all,
very interested reaction from R&D manager.
This model also include next two prints.
Here is comparison this prints wit prints from Marcelo.
On first look, I think that Marcelo has new name - Trumpeter.
Miloslav

Marcelo prints:


Model prints:

Ah, okay Gino, sorry, my english isn't that good either.

Im sorry, but this is just wrong. Im sure no one would have liked it had I taken those free scans,printed them and sold them on ebay.. or, made resin copies of Trumpeter kits and sold them as my own.

Tim,

This prints make of Marcelo for Armorama members. I this add to my produce after Marcelo permission.
Hobby works and professional works are two world.
Here is present many prints and next accessories but any firm don`t add these to produce.
Trumpeter started many very nice and very interested models, this is 100% fact but way copy next firm is very bad way.

Miloslav

Actually, Marcelo (is that who originally posted the prints?) clearly has a very win-able copyright infringement case on his hands. Every creation is copyrighted and has some default copyright protection. The fact that he presented the stuff here and gave us permission to use it does not change that or release rights for a company like Trumpeter to copyright it for themselves. In fact, his presentation of these prints here actually proves his copyright by providing a public history of his creation.

He now fully has the right to:
1. ask trumpeter to cease and desist
2. sue them for copyright infringement if they do not abide by 1.
3. release the copy right for free and open general usage by including that statement somewhere on his images from now on
3. or just forget about it.

I just finished going thru an international copyright infringement seminar at work (so that no one in our company becomes accidentally guilty of it) given by our law department, and frankly, this is a clear cut, easy to prove case of copyright infringement.

And just because Trumpeter is in China doesn't fully protect them - if they export out of China to the west and therefor have western assets, they are vulnerable.

Trumpeter could have covered their rear (in a weak way) by printing on the sheets that the copyright was someone elses and used by permission (which is sort of true if they got it from here, as long as they weren't doing it for profit, except they are), but they didn't - they tried to claim the copyright for themselves.

Real Model got permission and therefor covered their butts properly. Trumpeter didn't and has stupidly left themselves open to full on law suits if the original creator is so inclined to do so. This isn't a sneaky or underhanded move by Trumpeter, it is just a clumsy and stupid mistake that they could potentially pay dearly for.

The bottom line is, Trumpeter has no actual copyright on this material, no matter what it says on the sheets they print because we can easily prove otherwise if they try to get legal on anyone.

I'm going to buy the Trumpeter kit not because it has these sheets, but because it's a subject I like and the reviews of the kit itself have been good. The fact that these sheets are included is an added bonus. Maybe these are direct copies of someone else's work, maybe not: I don't know. I remember another thread here "discussing" a tow-bar... We all want accuracy, which means things will look the same if they are an accurate replication of a real-world object.

All of which begs the question...did either Macello or Trumpeter get permission to use the company logos of Coke, Pepsi, or any of the bottled water companies?

This is a shame. As said before by Milo and Gino, Marcelo made these and shared them with everyone here. Its a FRIGGIN SHAME that a big company like TRUMPETER would steal them, and claim them as their own. Whatever their rep said, andno matter how he intended it, he should shut his damn mouth because there is NO WAY to defend yourself against stealing Marcelo's work.

However, this is pretty much what the rest of the world can come to expect of CHINA. Thats what theyre good at. the rest of the world comes up with an original idea, then the chinese find some way of stealing it, copying it, and selling it for cheap. Just look at all the incidents with pirated software and the recent Microsoft bust in China and Taiwan. Way to go Trumpeter. Youve just lived up to the stereotype of your people! I for one will be boycotting your kits!

actually, that's a very good point.

those logos are trademarked, and any use of those logos require permissions as well. Marcelo is safe enough because he isn't making any money from it and Coke and Pepsi can only tell him to stop if they don't approve of his usage ot their logos, but Trumpeter is not.

If anyone is really pissed at Trumpeter for this, bring this to the attention of the legal departments of Coke and Pepsi, and they will definitely take care of it....

Hi

Al LaFleche makes a very valid point and one I would have thought Vance would have realised by being on the recent course that the copyright for these images actually rests with the companies whose products are depicted by these scale boxes. In other words Coca Cola etc. and if you sold them you'd be in infringement of their copyright ownership of said images.

I'm not saying it's right if what has been said has been done, but then again I'm sure Trumpeter would have known this before they went ahead.

Alan

Edit ....My post crossed with Vance's reply.

Hi,
I don`t know what is law in Brasilia but in Czech Coca and Pepsi are official firm but don`t have registered mark in military models and accessories. For that in possible according to Czech`s law this use for soda boxes, if exist permission from owners these prints masters. I think that this is for next discussion because 90% firm don`t have license or permission for use official name.
Miloslav