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105mm Bradley, why not?
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Posted: Monday, January 05, 2009 - 11:49 PM UTC

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Slightly off topic, but given all the expertise here...

Why is there no AA version of the Stryker? I know there's no need for one in Iraq, but given the origional thinking behind the SBCTs I would have expected one with a LAV-AD type turret?


Stinger teams provide air defense coverage, just like they do for the rest of the Army. The Marine LAV-AD's are in storage and the Army Linebackers have all been converted back to infantry carriers.

Short sighted? Probably. But the U.S. Army and Marines have not operated in the face an air threat in 60 years so the money gets spent elsewhere.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 01:52 PM UTC

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It's funny to see weapon systems and vehicles get bashed around from branch to branch with everyone trying to get their own best interests recognized. I saw a lot of it when my father worked for the government and it is also a little scary to see how stupid the situation gets now that my dad works for a contractor supplying some of the new stuff. Anybody seen the movie The Pentagon Wars?

-Mike

PS: Hasn't the new EFV project gone off track? I was contemplating going in as an 1833 but according to my recruiter and a couple buddies the whole situation is FUBAR...? are they correct?


I just saw an advertisement today for Bose Noise Cancelling Headphones for military tracked armor and wheeled armor applications. With the note to visit us at booth xxx at one of the trade shows. Everyone's getting in the action. Of course some make more sense than others and I know first hand.

The EFV is stil an active program. Well delayed as it appears the first active units will not be occuring till 2015 (give or take). Like so many military programs it is suffering from cost overruns, delays and problems that put it under scrutiny. While I personally think the concept fits well with USMC doctrine it's not intended to be a IED proof vehicle, but neither is the AAV. Rumors about reliability sound pretty bad, but I know how easy it is to manipulate information and give it a favorable spin for your argument. Either way, its gonna be awhile since they are building new prototypes and reevaluating them first.

trickymissfit
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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 07:10 PM UTC

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It's funny to see weapon systems and vehicles get bashed around from branch to branch with everyone trying to get their own best interests recognized. I saw a lot of it when my father worked for the government and it is also a little scary to see how stupid the situation gets now that my dad works for a contractor supplying some of the new stuff. Anybody seen the movie The Pentagon Wars?

-Mike

PS: Hasn't the new EFV project gone off track? I was contemplating going in as an 1833 but according to my recruiter and a couple buddies the whole situation is FUBAR...? are they correct?


I just saw an advertisement today for Bose Noise Cancelling Headphones for military tracked armor and wheeled armor applications. With the note to visit us at booth xxx at one of the trade shows. Everyone's getting in the action. Of course some make more sense than others and I know first hand.

The EFV is stil an active program. Well delayed as it appears the first active units will not be occuring till 2015 (give or take). Like so many military programs it is suffering from cost overruns, delays and problems that put it under scrutiny. While I personally think the concept fits well with USMC doctrine it's not intended to be a IED proof vehicle, but neither is the AAV. Rumors about reliability sound pretty bad, but I know how easy it is to manipulate information and give it a favorable spin for your argument. Either way, its gonna be awhile since they are building new prototypes and reevaluating them first.



I don't recognize the term "EFV". What is it? The new SPG program is back moving again, but very slowly. And the drive train for the next generation MBT is about finished (if it isn't already). Hybrid electric drives are a big thing with TACOM right now, and a lot of prototype stuff is still in the pipe line.
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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 07:45 PM UTC

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I don't recognize the term "EFV". What is it?


Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle. It is the replacement for the USMC AAVP7A1.




More info on it.
bison126
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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 08:02 PM UTC

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Most of the time the round lands someplace other than where I wanted it to and it was normally my fault!!! John


Not a bad definition for FA !

We use to say that the gunners know what they shells by reading the newspaper the day after

No personal point there Gino, we still (and really) love them when hard job comes out.
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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 08:32 PM UTC

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No personal point there Gino, we still (and really) love them when hard job comes out.


No offense taken. A little healthy branch rivalry is good, ma reine.
bison126
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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 08:37 PM UTC

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No offense taken. A little healthy branch rivalry is good, ma reine.


Correct, I never forget Napoleon was a Gunner !
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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 11:51 PM UTC

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No offense taken. A little healthy branch rivalry is good, ma reine.


the thing I find funny about Branch Rivalry, is that everyone wants to say "(fill branch here) LEADS THE WAY"

but who really does? I even heard at a BNCOC graduation for Supply SGTS, tha Quarter Master Leads the Way. I almost fell out the seat.

Ric
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2009 - 01:08 AM UTC
Quartermaster did lead the way, around the time of the Revolutionary War. They were the advance party that coordinated with local towns and farms to arrange for quarters and sustinence for the officers and soldiers that would in the next day. Hence the name "Quarter Master". They doubled as the advance scout for the main body.

Of course, that was 200+ years ago.
Ric_Cody
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2009 - 01:47 PM UTC

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Of course, that was 200+ years ago.


And probably still waiting on what they ordered.


lmao
trickymissfit
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 02:50 PM UTC

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I don't recognize the term "EFV". What is it?


Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle. It is the replacement for the USMC AAVP7A1.




More info on it.


that's a AAAV in the flesh. It's all tooled up right now, and I guess a few are starting roll off the assembly lines. Also there is already a major upgraded version in the pipeline. It started out as a Royal Marines project that they could not make the drive system(s) work, and they came to us for another look see. After a half dozen drive trains being designed and three being built they had a working mule. After that it was redesigned another three more times (a couple were major changes). Somewhere in the middle of all these redesigns the U.S. Marines got involved in it, and from what I remember at least two or three other countries are making inquiries. The technology is so unique that I doubt that it will be built out of the country by anyone else. It was so secretive that when were building the prototypes they checked out all the employees in the tool room, and had a virtual lock down in there. Also the plant that builds the transmission now requires a special I.D. and pass just to go in there. I never saw the Fed that serious about anything else we did for them in the past.
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Posted: Friday, January 30, 2009 - 06:58 AM UTC
On the original question:

If one is really looking for a "105mm Bradley" maybe Argentine has the solution. They have been using 105mm Marders for a few decades under the "TAM" (Argentinian Medium Tank) label.

See here
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