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Yet another stalled project - AFV Club M88
Heatseeker64
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Posted: Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 12:27 AM UTC
I know it seems I've got a lot of projects on teh go at the moment, but the shelves in my workshop look like a post Six Day War Israeli Army scrap yard, and I have been endeavouring to get some hulks sitting on track with at least a fresh coat of paint.

So far I have an M47 and Staghound ready for painting, two Centurion 5/1s all but finished and three M113A1s almost ready for paint.

The next project I took a look at was this - an AFV Club M88 my parents gave me for my birthday eight years ago which has laguished as a bare hulk for at least the last five years.

Since I started the stalled build, I have discovered Mr Surfacer, which is a great way to add some cast texture and it also covers a multitude of sins and blemishes.

Anyway, after a day I had the hull all tidied up and I've started to add some detail:







I previously built an M88A1 back in 97, and it was one of the best 1/35 armoured kits around at the time:



The only big argument I had with the kit was the light guards, which were impossible to remove from the sprue with exploding them in to a million pieces, but AFV added etched metal items in the Nam version, so it should go easier.

I have since been spoiled by building two of the superb AFV Club Centurion 5/1s, but the M88 has aged well, and it still builds as an impressive kit.

Some of the upper hull needed some re-shaping - particularly around the APU - but the Mr Surfacer has tidied up all the work nicely. I will basically build the M88 from the bow, but I will be repacing the runs on the A frame with brass rod, and the plastic bits are too flimsy, and it is hard to remove the mould lines around them.

Paiting should be a no-brainer because these beasts were plain olive drab, and I've learnt some quick and effective Vietnam weathering tricks when I built the Cents.
Heatseeker64
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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 06:02 AM UTC
The build is starting to look like something that approximates as a 1/35th M88:



I replaced all he rungs on the A frame with brass rod ... I removed the easily broken plastic ones and comprehensively sanded the A frame to remove a prominent seam line:




BigfootV
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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 09:15 AM UTC
Hi Mick,
Looking good so far. In looking at the last post it appears you've got a "twist" in the A-frame.
Didn't know if you saw that or not.

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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 11:04 AM UTC
Excellent job on the first one. I'm sure the second one will be equally impressive.
An easy way to remove delicate parts from the sprue is with a heated X-Acto blade.
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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 11:05 AM UTC
Mick great work!. Im trying to find the Vietnam version over here!.

Still no luck!

Great work keep it up buddy

Heatseeker64
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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 04:04 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Hi Mick,
Looking good so far. In looking at the last post it appears you've got a "twist" in the A-frame.
Didn't know if you saw that or not.




Thanks for that ... spotted it myself when I put thepics up and fixed it ...
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BigfootV
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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 04:38 PM UTC
Funny how that works. Glad to see it was fixed. You could of left it and said the load shifted and bend the A-frame. I've heard stories of that happening with the M88's A-frame.

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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 08:47 PM UTC
Nice job!

Could you tell which kit it is exactly? I got one in stash, but that one has more green plastic. Anyway, I'm gonna use this thread as a reference for my future build.

Lars
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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 09:23 PM UTC
Some years ago I had both the AFV Club modern M88 and the Revell M88G under way, and got so tired with both, I sold them half-built. I guess it was more of an era interest-change than kit quality, but they are quite busy kits when all the smaller details are fixed. Hopefully you can keep the momentum going now to finish! What you´ve done so far looks good. Im another fan of Mr. Surfacer as well!
Heatseeker64
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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 10:00 PM UTC
The vehicle is starting to look "busy" ... apart from the texturing, this is pretty much an "out of the box" build, although you will notice I put a brace at the apex of the A Frame (and straightened the pulley assembly).



There is almost no need for filler, although the A frame needed a bit of clean up, and I replaced the rungs with brass rod, as described in the previous picture update. I also replaced the grad handles around the side door ... I don't think the plastic bits would have lasted long with the all handling of the hull during the build.:




Tomorrow I'll have a crack at fitting the photo etched headlight guards, which look nice. About my only gripe with the M88A1 build was the fragile headlight injection moulded guards.

Heatseeker64
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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 10:44 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Nice job!

Could you tell which kit it is exactly? I got one in stash, but that one has more green plastic. Anyway, I'm gonna use this thread as a reference for my future build.

Lars



It's the AFV Club M88 Vietnam kit - based on their earlier M88A1 but with a new hull top, individual track links, photo etched light guards and a shield for the gun.

I believe the kit was the basis for the German version from Revell.
Heatseeker64
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Posted: Saturday, May 16, 2009 - 10:49 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Some years ago I had both the AFV Club modern M88 and the Revell M88G under way, and got so tired with both, I sold them half-built. I guess it was more of an era interest-change than kit quality, but they are quite busy kits when all the smaller details are fixed. Hopefully you can keep the momentum going now to finish! What you´ve done so far looks good. Im another fan of Mr. Surfacer as well!



About the only gripe I had with the original kit was the light guards, which were impossible to remove from the sprue, and were broken all ready.

The A frame needs a bit of a tidy up, but otherwise these kits go together really well.

Being eight years older, it doesn't have the finesse of the AFV Club Centurions, but I think that it is a better basic kit that needs fewer enhancements, and the result looks a lot more complex than what it was to build.

I enjoyed my M88A1 so much that I pledged to build an M88 ... being all green and with a shield on the gun, it will have a different look.
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Posted: Sunday, May 17, 2009 - 09:26 AM UTC
Hi Mick, nice work mate. A good start.
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Posted: Sunday, May 17, 2009 - 09:33 AM UTC
How is this kit? My Dad drove these guys back in the 80's (said they were a real PITA) and is begging me to build one. AFV Club is the only game in town, so it will be under my belt eventually....
Heatseeker64
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Posted: Monday, May 18, 2009 - 06:06 AM UTC
Starting to get a bit more detail on to the beast - have fitted the light guards and cables. The photo etched light guards are streets ahead of the injection moulded ones, but I found the rear strips snapped when I tried to bend them to shape ... no big deal, I'll just add some plastic strip:



I soaked the cable in ultra thin super glue , which it readily soaked up. This not holds the cable in place, but also give it some stifness, like the real steel cable:





After work tomorrow I'll fit the comander's hatchand will ponder how to mount some steel jerries in racks. When I built the M88A1, I remember that I painted the vehicle "clean, without fittings and cable, but ran in to trouble fitting them to the painted surfaces ... since this vehicle will be a single colour, it should be a simpler paint job.
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Posted: Monday, May 18, 2009 - 07:42 AM UTC
Nice build Mick. You should enter the "Get the Job Done Again" campaign as this would fit right in. An easy way to complete a campaign if ever there was one. Godd luck with the remainder of the build. "Q"
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Posted: Monday, May 18, 2009 - 12:05 PM UTC
Excellent progress Mick, looking good. Like that Mr. Surfacer too! Keep at it, hope you get some paint on it soon!
Cheers -
Tim
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Posted: Monday, June 01, 2009 - 12:02 AM UTC
I'm just about to fire up the spray gun on this project and was wondering if anyone has a reccomendation for Vietnam era "US Olive Drab"? Looking at period colour photos, US Army vehicles tend to look satin dark/emerald green.

The colour of the M88 aside, the cam pattern in the APC in the foreground is interesting:



The darker green is evident here:



bpunchy
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Posted: Friday, July 03, 2009 - 12:52 AM UTC
hello mick , nice build of a great kit . theres good black and white photos of m88's in the book Vietnam Tracks if you can get hold of it . ( wont help your colour querie but great photos ) . I added some chains to the A frame as on the box top . keep up the good work
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Posted: Friday, July 03, 2009 - 03:23 AM UTC
Mick, looking great so far! I am currently working on the Revell kit. Can't stand the light guards, either! Keep up the good work!
Heatseeker64
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Posted: Sunday, December 05, 2010 - 12:24 AM UTC
Had a bit of a "tracking" weekend and managed to get tracks on my painted M109 Nam build, and on the M88.

I generally fully paint and weather all the bits before installing suspension and wheels, but I thought I'd do something different this time:







I'm all out of OD at the moment, but the project isn't far away from a final coat.

Then I'll decide if I go with a mud or dust weathering process ...
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