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Answers to questions about the right paint scheme or tips for the right effect.
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air compressor
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ColinEdm
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Posted: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 05:10 PM UTC
I went with a California Air tools model from Home Depot:
http://www.homedepot.ca/product/3010-10-hp-30-gal-ultra-quiet-oil-free-steel-tank-air-compressor/998790
Very quiet, pressures up fast. We'll see how it lasts, been using it for a few months now.
http://www.homedepot.ca/product/3010-10-hp-30-gal-ultra-quiet-oil-free-steel-tank-air-compressor/998790
Very quiet, pressures up fast. We'll see how it lasts, been using it for a few months now.
TopSmith
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Posted: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 07:35 PM UTC
1. I started out with cans of propel when I first started air brushing. There are so many issues that it is not realistic to use the canned air.
2. Tried the large inter tube. Again this was not a realistic solution.
3. Bought a Badger diaphragm air compressor in high school and used it long enough to wear out the diaphragm twice. There was problems with condensated water spitting out onto the paint even after I made a water trap. The Florida humidity was unforgiving. The compressor was noisy. It vibrates all over the table. not knowing any better I lived with the issues for years.
4.I finally reached my limit and looked around for a good compressor that was designed for airbrushing. Had to have a tank, water trap, silent operation, easily portable ... man this was not going to be cheap for a good quality one.
5. I decided on a 20 Lbs CO2 tank with regulator (scuba tank size) instead and have never ever regretted it. CO2 doesn't contain any water vapor so there is no need for a water trap. The operation is silent. It can be used anywhere because it doesn't need power. There is never any pulsating pressure. There are almost no moving parts to wear out. I pay about $20 every two/ three years to exchange the tank for a full one. I figured my start up costs and refill costs compared with the cost of the compressor, maintenance and the cost to replace the compressor in 8 years +- and I am way ahead.
Before you commit the money for a compressor try out a tank if possible.
2. Tried the large inter tube. Again this was not a realistic solution.
3. Bought a Badger diaphragm air compressor in high school and used it long enough to wear out the diaphragm twice. There was problems with condensated water spitting out onto the paint even after I made a water trap. The Florida humidity was unforgiving. The compressor was noisy. It vibrates all over the table. not knowing any better I lived with the issues for years.
4.I finally reached my limit and looked around for a good compressor that was designed for airbrushing. Had to have a tank, water trap, silent operation, easily portable ... man this was not going to be cheap for a good quality one.
5. I decided on a 20 Lbs CO2 tank with regulator (scuba tank size) instead and have never ever regretted it. CO2 doesn't contain any water vapor so there is no need for a water trap. The operation is silent. It can be used anywhere because it doesn't need power. There is never any pulsating pressure. There are almost no moving parts to wear out. I pay about $20 every two/ three years to exchange the tank for a full one. I figured my start up costs and refill costs compared with the cost of the compressor, maintenance and the cost to replace the compressor in 8 years +- and I am way ahead.
Before you commit the money for a compressor try out a tank if possible.
Trisaw
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Posted: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 06:54 AM UTC
Greg,
I agree with your third view as I too had a diaphragm air compressor over 15 years ago that got louder over time and vibrated ("walked") across the table. And yes, it's true, that there was water in the air line even with the moisture trap.
So I bought a Silent-Aire oiled 15A EXPORT air compressor with tank 11 years ago. It's mega-expensive and heavy, but it purred like a refrigerator compressor and worked great and had everything: dial, water trap, pressure switch, tank, oil, etc.
The problem I encounter now is that it doesn't work and replacement parts are expensive, not to mention there are very few service centers around (and Silent-Aire doesn't make the 15A anymore). Tech support has been so-so; we haven't figured out what is wrong with it yet. To me, I'm getting the attitude from Silent-Aire that the air compressor is "expendable," but at $500, that's one mighty "throw away" expense! Shipping 55 lbs around to be serviced is going to cost a fortune. While Silent-Aire may be the best silent oiled air compressor around, I am wary of buying from them again if their compressors cannot be repaired easily and there are very few service centers around. The replacement parts themselves are pricey and the instruction manual and parts diagrams are only marginally helpful, meaning I doubt I can repair this compressor myself. Sometimes, "You get what you paid for" may not be the case.
Greg and others, thanks for all your compressor experiences and insights!
I agree with your third view as I too had a diaphragm air compressor over 15 years ago that got louder over time and vibrated ("walked") across the table. And yes, it's true, that there was water in the air line even with the moisture trap.
So I bought a Silent-Aire oiled 15A EXPORT air compressor with tank 11 years ago. It's mega-expensive and heavy, but it purred like a refrigerator compressor and worked great and had everything: dial, water trap, pressure switch, tank, oil, etc.
The problem I encounter now is that it doesn't work and replacement parts are expensive, not to mention there are very few service centers around (and Silent-Aire doesn't make the 15A anymore). Tech support has been so-so; we haven't figured out what is wrong with it yet. To me, I'm getting the attitude from Silent-Aire that the air compressor is "expendable," but at $500, that's one mighty "throw away" expense! Shipping 55 lbs around to be serviced is going to cost a fortune. While Silent-Aire may be the best silent oiled air compressor around, I am wary of buying from them again if their compressors cannot be repaired easily and there are very few service centers around. The replacement parts themselves are pricey and the instruction manual and parts diagrams are only marginally helpful, meaning I doubt I can repair this compressor myself. Sometimes, "You get what you paid for" may not be the case.
Greg and others, thanks for all your compressor experiences and insights!
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Posted: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 07:10 AM UTC
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Hi
I think the refillable tank you describe is a method used by some airbrush artists but not as you describe it, "a tank you take to the garage and fill with air". That way leads to all sorts of issues anyway. Risk of too much pressure and the thing explodes.
The ones used are special tanks and refilled with gas (I can't remember which gas, but obviously a safe non toxic one) by technical staff who know how much pressure to fill it to. These I've read are quite large, something like a welders gas bottle or scuba divers air tank and last, depending on use, for up to a year. Refilling is not free.
Years ago I know that I saw a crude airbrush set-up used by somebody connected to a car tyre inner tube. Of course most tyres these days are tubeless, so you don't see them much anymore. As kids we'd go down the river with them as floats. I can't image the regulation of air or it's quality was much good either.
A good fairly silent compressor is easily brought these days. Go for the type with a air tank and regulator to ensure constant flow without pulsing.
Alan
Badger made an adapter that would go on the stem of a spare tire . Maybe your thinking of something like that . You could pump the spare tire to say 100 psi , but you would still need a regulator to control air pressure and a moisture trap also .
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Posted: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 07:35 AM UTC
Just buy a hobby compressor with a good pressure gauge & water trap.
Trisaw
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Posted: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 01:09 PM UTC
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Just buy a hobby compressor with a good pressure gauge & water trap.
I might. I just finished talking with Silent-Aire tech support and the person I spoke with was very helpful. I finally got my air compressor to work! It still has some issues, but it's able to maintain pressure and pump.
A caution though...Silent-Aire products are made in Italy and as an expensive Italian sports car, replacement parts could be very expensive and repair might not be cost-effective. But when the Silent-Aire pump works, it's AWESOME! There's almost no compressor pumping noise...silent as a refrigerator motor.
screamingeagle
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Posted: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 03:57 PM UTC
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Hey Chad,
This has been a frequent topic in the past – you might want to try the search function for old threads.
Anyway, I use this one – got it at Wally’s for $50.00 US about 5-6 years ago – and still going strong.
Sears, Harbor Freight, Northern, Tractor Store, etc… all have similar size & types. A little loud but only runs / refills 2-3 times during average paint job. Will also fill your tyres, run small nailer, etc…
I also have this Campbell/Hausfeld compressor. I've had mine for 12 years now and it still runs like new and without any problems.