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Trumpeter 1/35 SA-6 Kub
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 03:03 AM UTC
G'day Trendsetters,

Is anyone building or has built this kit?

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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 04:27 AM UTC
I did.

But I suppose you need some additional information?
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 08:27 PM UTC
Hi Jurgen,

I'm trying to work out a way to improve the missiles because they are too long and skinny and there doesn't seem to be any aftermarket replacements. The Cromwell ZSU-23-4 to SA-6 conversion had better missiles but its rare and expensive.

What did you end up doing about the missiles?
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 09:18 PM UTC

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G'day Trendsetters,

Is anyone building or has built this kit?



Hi Len,

yes i have build one. And this was fun!



Andreas
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 10:00 PM UTC
I had the Trumpeter SA-6 and a Cromwell update-set for Dragon´s ZSU-23-4 Shilka (for changing the Shilka into the Sa-6)... but I sold both.
The Cromwell-kit had better missiles, correct in diameter!
Also for the Trumpeter-kit there are an PE-set from Eduard, but also this I sold.

So, I can not say anything about building-problems.

greetings...
Soeren
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 10:39 PM UTC
Hi Len,

I know there are 'issues' with the diameter of the missiles however it seems the missiles trumpeter scaled were measured against parade "dummies" and not 'live' operational A.A. missiles. Given the nature of the authorities in China, it's probably not too surprising they weren't allowed access to operational rounds - despite the age of the system itself?

OK, I know some reviewers have picked up other minor details but the general dimensions of the missiles match those of parade rounds. So, if you wanted to display the model as a parade and not operational loadout you won't be too far off the mark.

The kit itself (which I have but unbuilt) attracts mainly favourable reviews with only the missile diameter issue seeming to override all the positive points.

HTH

Gary
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Posted: Friday, August 07, 2009 - 12:15 AM UTC
Hi!

I haven't started it yet, but I have heard about other issues: the chassis is too short, and the spacing is not correct between the wheels. And the rockets, yes they are "parade" versions only.

But it can be bult into a really nice kit just straight out of box, if you are not that "maniac" kind

Some photos, to help you:
http://www.mhrfweb.extra.hu/joomlaTEL/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50&Itemid=56&lang=en

Greetings, Adam
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Posted: Friday, August 07, 2009 - 03:05 AM UTC
Hi Adam!



Zaloga did a build article in Military modelling which could be useful. I used 10mm evergreen tubing to replace the orinal ones.

Cheers!
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Posted: Friday, August 07, 2009 - 03:24 AM UTC
Hi Jurjen, the missiles look good!
With the "parade-dummies" on it, the vehicle would look a bit strange. ;-)

greetings...
Soeren
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Posted: Saturday, August 08, 2009 - 10:42 AM UTC
Jurjen: I found a couple of sites that are good references for accurate Missile Measurements:

Wikipedia (I know, I know, but they are good)

Valka forum

Air Power Australia

SA-6 drawings

SA-6 specs, to reference to Wikipedia

I put this up for all to see. Let me know if that is enough help. I will look through my non-web sources tonight/tomorrow.
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Posted: Saturday, August 08, 2009 - 12:19 PM UTC
Thanks Jacques!

I will have a look tomorrow. I just came back from a night of beer drinking, hihi.

Goodnight all!
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Posted: Monday, August 10, 2009 - 05:31 PM UTC
Thanks all who have contributed to this topic. Its been a big help.

Regards
Len


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Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2009 - 07:49 AM UTC
Hello, My name Juhász Gábor.
Built 3 kit, 2 SA-6 2P25 SPU Rocket launcher, and 1S91 SURN Target search and firing control radar.
All kits Trumpeter., modified chasis, 3M9 rockets and many more.
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Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2009 - 10:14 AM UTC

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Hello, My name Juhász Gábor.
Built 3 kit, 2 SA-6 2P25 SPU Rocket launcher, and 1S91 SURN Target search and firing control radar.
All kits Trumpeter., modified chasis, 3M9 rockets and many more.


Hi Juhász,

that sounds very interesting. Do you have some pics for us?

Andreas
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Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2009 - 10:34 AM UTC

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Zaloga did a build article in Military modelling which could be useful. I used 10mm evergreen tubing to replace the orinal ones.

Cheers!


do you know what issue? Looks like im going to have to replace my missles! I built mine within weeks of its release, and it was a very enjoyable build...but man, what a difference in diameter!
Andy
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Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2009 - 07:18 PM UTC
http://gallery.kitmaker.net/showgallery.php?cat=24873

The 3M9m2, m3 Rocket original size: lenght 5.850m, wing span 1,245m, diameter 0.335m.

1/35: lenght 16.7cm, wing span 3,557cm, diameter 0.95cm.

Trumpeter rocket too small diameter and intakes, too big wings.

My SA-6 Photos: http://cid-ee536f896a8bd757.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/2K12%20Kub%20%5E5SA-6%20%5E6
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 07:31 PM UTC
Are those SA-6 and ZSU-23-4 1:76 kits? Or did Cromwell make 1:35 scale conversions as well?




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Hi Jurgen,

I'm trying to work out a way to improve the missiles because they are too long and skinny and there doesn't seem to be any aftermarket replacements. The Cromwell ZSU-23-4 to SA-6 conversion had better missiles but its rare and expensive.

What did you end up doing about the missiles?
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 09:34 PM UTC

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Are those SA-6 and ZSU-23-4 1:76 kits? Or did Cromwell make 1:35 scale conversions as well?


The scale of the Cromwell-conversion is 1/35, and designed for the Dragon ZSU-23-4.
But for this conv. one have to cut and fill a bit of plastic-sheet (or something like that) to the lower hull part, to get the lenght. The SA-6 vehicle is a bit longer than the ZSU.

I hope this helps...
Soeren
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Posted: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - 05:47 AM UTC
1/72 scale, my handwork 2P25 and 1S91
http://makettinfo.hu/forum/image.php?img_url=upload%2F200802%2Fszpu_1.jpg#image_40102
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Posted: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - 09:58 AM UTC
I understand those kits are also in 1:76 by Cromwell, do they make conversions for their smaller scale items as well?


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Are those SA-6 and ZSU-23-4 1:76 kits? Or did Cromwell make 1:35 scale conversions as well?


The scale of the Cromwell-conversion is 1/35, and designed for the Dragon ZSU-23-4.
But for this conv. one have to cut and fill a bit of plastic-sheet (or something like that) to the lower hull part, to get the lenght. The SA-6 vehicle is a bit longer than the ZSU.

I hope this helps...
Soeren
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Posted: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - 03:12 PM UTC
I have a set of Cromwell missles on the trumpeter model. looks nice
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Posted: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - 07:51 PM UTC

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I understand those kits are also in 1:76 by Cromwell, do they make conversions for their smaller scale items as well?


I can not find Cromwell´s webpage at the moment, but I thought that they have some conversion sets.
I´m not sure about conversions for small scale items, but they have complete model kits in different scales.

greetings...
Soeren
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Posted: Thursday, December 17, 2009 - 03:58 AM UTC

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I can not find Cromwell´s webpage at the moment, but I thought that they have some conversion sets.
I´m not sure about conversions for small scale items, but they have complete model kits in different scales.


Does Cromwell even HAVE a Web page? I have seen numerous reviews of their products with no mention of a Web site whatsoever. Their products look good, but is it so difficult to get a basic Web site done in 2009?
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Posted: Thursday, December 17, 2009 - 05:22 AM UTC

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I can not find Cromwell´s webpage at the moment, but I thought that they have some conversion sets.
I´m not sure about conversions for small scale items, but they have complete model kits in different scales.


Does Cromwell even HAVE a Web page? I have seen numerous reviews of their products with no mention of a Web site whatsoever. Their products look good, but is it so difficult to get a basic Web site done in 2009?


Cromwell Models had a webpage, but it´s not available at the moment... as I read today on the net. A small overview (some parts possibly missing) is here.
http://www.onthewaymodels.com/kitlists/cromwellmodels.htm

greetings...
Soeren
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Posted: Thursday, December 17, 2009 - 05:49 AM UTC

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Cromwell Models had a webpage, but it´s not available at the moment... as I read today on the net.


I have been looking for Cromwell's Web site for at least three years now; and I was never able to find one. I don't think they ever had a Web site: there should have been at least one outdated link or small mention of their URL; and I can't see either of them anywhere in Google.


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A small overview (some parts possibly missing) is here.


Yeah: their entire 1/35 range is missing! That listing only has their 1/72 products..

To Cromwell: 1973 called; it wants its business practices back!
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