Armor/AFV: Axis - WWII
Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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DML Ersatz M10 Build Log
warreni
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Posted: Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 11:20 AM UTC

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Well.... the pictures all indicate the box-art isn't accurate, so better check the kit contents when you get the box.

And can you spot the error?


The bow machinegun is not covered over in the photos as it is in the box art, this is the only common thing I can see between all of the pictures that display that area.



You may find that the flap that was used to cover it has simply fallen off, or been removed as a field modification because it simply got in the way and wasn't worth having.
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Posted: Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 12:51 PM UTC

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Well.... the pictures all indicate the box-art isn't accurate, so better check the kit contents when you get the box.

And can you spot the error?



The false glacis headlight cut-out looks wrong to me.
gremlinz
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Posted: Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 01:13 PM UTC
Not to be nitpicky but do we not think that debating the accuracy or possible lack thereof of the box art is a bit pissing into the windish ?

I'd just like to see the build as I intend to get one of these and I'd like to see if there are any improvements, stumbling blocks or whatever via this build.

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Posted: Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 01:19 PM UTC
Sam,

I'm interested in this build. Been waiting for this kit for a while. Thanks for sharing!
sam_dwyer
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Posted: Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 01:19 PM UTC

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Not to be nitpicky but do we not think that debating the accuracy or possible lack thereof of the box art is a bit pissing into the windish ?

I'd just like to see the build as I intend to get one of these and I'd like to see if there are any improvements, stumbling blocks or whatever via this build.




CORRECT!

Im going to let my build of the kit itself speak in regards to the accuracy or not of the model, rather than a blury box art shot.

The kit has arrived, so later today/tonight i'll start posting pics of the build.
SD
warreni
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Posted: Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 02:01 PM UTC
Go for it Sam!!
Abydos
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Posted: Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 02:35 PM UTC
Hi Sam, good choice for a build, i will be following this one, and if the kit looks good enough I may have to make room amongst the other cats i have on the shelve. i am just finishing up one of my Michael Whitman versions now. Do you know if they came out with a PE kit for it yet?
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Posted: Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 07:51 PM UTC

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Different buildings! One with the hole has a small vending(?) machine hanging on the corner. I wondered about that also until I spotted the box.



Nope. Same building if you study the pictures properly. Read my previous post on the repaired wall, look at the architectural features. As for the vending machine, how difficult is that to remove especially as it's been broken open and is probably damaged beyond repair.

Alan



It is the same tank and building. Apparently the Panther ran into the building with the turret traversed thereby poking a hole in the wall "before". You can see the repaired brick work in the photo where the turret is turned to the right. That and the debris is cleaned up indicating the "after" photo of the same "accident".
redcap
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Posted: Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 08:07 PM UTC
QUOTED TEXT - "Herbert - you're always diving into threads and telling us how this or that isn't accurate etc. and commenting on guys' builds. And yet you never show us any of your own work. If your modelling skills are on anything like the same level as your detailed knowledge of the "big cats", your work would be a treat to see.

Or are you more of a theorist than a practitioner?"

- Steve Riley


Herbert - The gauntlet thrown down by Steve Riley yesterday still seems to be on the ground. Are you going to pick it up?

Gary Needham
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Posted: Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 08:41 PM UTC
How about we just focus on Sam's new model? It'll be fun to watch him work his magic on a kit.

Matt
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Posted: Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 08:54 PM UTC
Its 553pm here in Melbourne, Australia - just got in the door.. and YES its here.. and its a beaut!

Im feverishly opening the box, pics to follow (of the kit, not me opening the box!)!

I cant speak highly enough of Rainbow 10's service, truly excellent, 5 days Japan to my door.
SD
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Posted: Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 09:57 PM UTC
I´m already drooling all over laptop and waiting for pics.... Beside that CH´s Flak T-34, which I already have, 2 to be exact, this is the other kit I´ve been waiting for. Sure must buy. No need to buy CMK´s resin conversion...
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Posted: Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 10:28 PM UTC

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How about we just focus on Sam's new model? It'll be fun to watch him work his magic on a kit.

Matt



Well Matt, once there's something in plastic on our screens to actually focus on, I'd agree with you.

But as of yet, no magic has been woven (Sam's only just opened the box), and for others to nit-pickover the box art is - to my mind at least - a tad churlish.

- Steve
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Posted: Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 11:49 PM UTC
Hi all,

Ok, im sorry for drawing this out - here is a teaser pic!



Its here.. and im starting. I mean it, pics to follow soon!
Jamesite
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Posted: Friday, August 14, 2009 - 04:57 AM UTC
Will be very interested in this build, you have some great reference pics there.

James
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Posted: Friday, August 14, 2009 - 01:42 PM UTC
OK - lets get some photos posted!

Im not going to post shots of the sprues etc, I find that really tedious - but if anyone needs to see close up shots, please let me know and i'll take some.

Sorry for the quality of the pics - these are just quick and nasty ones taken off the bench without proper lighting - these are just the preliminary work in progress shots, i'll take more formal ones when the build progresses further.

I've built a ton of DML smart kit panthers, so I can almost put the suspension together in my sleep - the kit instructions are pretty spot on now, no errors that I could find in the suspension sections!

I always glue the inner torsion bar sections in first, and let the glue thoroughly harden before putting the outside torsion bar sections on - this will allow the suspension to remain a little workable, rather than gluing into a solid immovable structure.


I also like to make a departure from the instructions order, and get the basic hull parts together, before detailing the entire structure as a whole. Its easier to fill gaps and deal with fit issues if you're not having to tread carefully due to previously added details!

In getting the hull together, I noted that there is a bloody great big gap in the rear - where the rear hull armor meets the side armor:


I'll fill this with styrene, and replace the weld later.
DML have modified the upper hull for the M10 fairly substantially:
Here you can see the rear ends of the hull side armor have been shortened:


I cant imagine that this was done on the real Ersatz M10, I was always of the belief that the disguise parts were thin metal that went over the existing Panther armor.. Im guessing this was done for ease of build of the model

DML have also thankfully raised the very front section of hull roof armor, just forward of the hatch plate for the driver and operator. On the real thing this was about 1cm thicker than the rest of the roof armor plates


M10 kit:


LSW Smart Kit:


SO, thats where I am so far.. A VERY productive Saturday morning so far. Im waiting for the glue to harden on a few joins and gaps, then I can move on with construction - more images to follow!

SD
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Posted: Friday, August 14, 2009 - 02:21 PM UTC
Sam

Looking good so far (but then it's a Panther, so why wouldn't it?). Are you coming up to QMHE next weekend ?

Look forward to seeing you there if you are.

Rob
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Posted: Friday, August 14, 2009 - 02:45 PM UTC
What a great start Sam, this should be very interesting to say the least! I added the 'blog' icon to your thread, hope you don't mind. That way it'll have more exposure on the homepage and make it easier to find
sam_dwyer
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Posted: Friday, August 14, 2009 - 03:46 PM UTC

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Sam

Looking good so far (but then it's a Panther, so why wouldn't it?). Are you coming up to QMHE next weekend ?

Look forward to seeing you there if you are.

Rob



Yep Rob - we will be up Friday.

James - thanks for making this a blog!

SD
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Posted: Friday, August 14, 2009 - 03:54 PM UTC
The bum on the ersatz M10 ...



I thought rather than being trimmed back they were just covered with a fake extention that covered the Panther exhausts so can't see a need to trim the armour. Can anyone shed any light on that ? ( ie should the appearance be of a trimmed butt with an abutted extension, or of an overlapped extention ? ).
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Posted: Friday, August 14, 2009 - 04:17 PM UTC
ye,it's new products of DML.But it's no sale in China's domestic
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Posted: Friday, August 14, 2009 - 04:49 PM UTC
Cool blog so far sam. Looking forward to your progress.
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Posted: Friday, August 14, 2009 - 07:45 PM UTC
Excellent stuff Sam! Ultra clean and quick build, with that well trained eye of yours already roving around the kit, pinpointing the details that need to be given attention. Typical Sam Dywer really! Great start to the 'Blog' I like the feel of this one already, is this one going to end up on the 'Schwerpunkt' gallery?

Cheers for bringing this to us all Sam, Phil.
sam_dwyer
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Posted: Friday, August 14, 2009 - 07:56 PM UTC
Thanks Guys!

Here's a few more shots of today's progress.. the fore and aft disguise pieces are just placed there for now, just to see how everything looks:











The tow point is movable:







Sam Dwyer
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Posted: Friday, August 14, 2009 - 08:00 PM UTC
clean work!
keep on going!