I just got my hands on a HobbyBoss Danish Leopard 2 A5DK listed as a 2A5. An I'm ordering one more so to build to types and way my question is has any one here build the new hobbyboss version?
I do see that this kits comes with it's own PE set, it's now much. Well one of my tanks I want to add that slat armor like the ones in Iraq or is that Afghanistan.?
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/review/3223
Now I know the slated armor is made for a Timaya kit but if I modify some of the connection points I think I can make it fit the Hobby boss kit. But first I would love to know about any fit issues. I do see that the tracks look grate but they have injection pin marks that should be cut off.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 - 09:31 AM UTC
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Posted: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 - 01:33 PM UTC
The Hobby Boss kit is not perfect....there are simplified details on some parts and some detail missing completely.
If you are wanting to build a Danish Leopard 2A5DK as deployed to Afghanistan you are going to add some modifications to the kit.....the kit does not depict the modifications to the tanks sent to Afghanistan.
The slat armour is correct but the Danish do not use the rear hull section.
You have a half decent amount of work ahead of you with scrath building and adding details to make it an accurate Leopard 2A5DK as deployed to Afghanistan.
Hopefully that won't discourage you from doing the project.....but take your time and do your research before starting.
If you are wanting to build a Danish Leopard 2A5DK as deployed to Afghanistan you are going to add some modifications to the kit.....the kit does not depict the modifications to the tanks sent to Afghanistan.
The slat armour is correct but the Danish do not use the rear hull section.
You have a half decent amount of work ahead of you with scrath building and adding details to make it an accurate Leopard 2A5DK as deployed to Afghanistan.
Hopefully that won't discourage you from doing the project.....but take your time and do your research before starting.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 05:17 AM UTC
"Research" is the key to pull of the a seemingly impossible task. I live to scratchbuild, my one true love so this is a must build. Now I have gone on an ordered the German Leopard 2A5/A6 as well and once the kit get's here I can see the added turret armor if any. I'm going to start this build once I get my M3A3 Bradley done. I'm just going to leave out building and interior on this project. Thank for the help
Oh and the kit's are on sale for $11.99 a still, as lover of Modern Armor I just could not pass this up. Build 2 or 3.
Oh and the kit's are on sale for $11.99 a still, as lover of Modern Armor I just could not pass this up. Build 2 or 3.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 01:59 PM UTC
Good luck with your project....I recommend picking up a copy of the March 2009 issue of Military In Scale magazine....there is an article about building a Danish Leopard 2A5DK as originally deployed to Afghanistan....but not with slat armour. The good thing is that is shows lots of the modifications.
What add-on armour on the turret of the 2A5/2A6 are you speaking of?
What add-on armour on the turret of the 2A5/2A6 are you speaking of?
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Posted: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 05:24 PM UTC
Nice build, its on my list of Leopard to build. I would consider using the Tamiya kit as your base kit then work the Hobby Boss parts on to it.
If you do a search there is a 1/16 scale Danish Leopard on the net somewhere also February 09 Miltary in Scale has the real thing in a Photo spread.
Chris
If you do a search there is a 1/16 scale Danish Leopard on the net somewhere also February 09 Miltary in Scale has the real thing in a Photo spread.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 11:10 PM UTC
Hi Caveman :-)
Try this link - look under"modelling references"
http://www.howitzer.dk/
Best regards
Morten
Try this link - look under"modelling references"
http://www.howitzer.dk/
Best regards
Morten
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Posted: Friday, August 21, 2009 - 01:59 AM UTC
:LeoCmdr: on the ordering info of a German Leopard it tells you and shows you that the turret has some armor added to the top of it. Now from the looks of it it's only an add on not realy armor. More like some type of unit. but once I get the kit in I will post photo of the parts inplace. Thanks Nordland for the link, an I see now that some one on here has build the slat armored Leopard: https://armorama.kitmaker.net//features/2340
I have some photos of real Leo's with that slat armor and some with heavy turret and hull armor. I'm working on up-loading them now.
I have some photos of real Leo's with that slat armor and some with heavy turret and hull armor. I'm working on up-loading them now.
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Posted: Friday, August 21, 2009 - 02:14 AM UTC
Looks like I will have to start or open a new photo up-loading page as Photobucket will now require you to use there bulk uploader and it's not working well at all. It's bean now 5 mins and the page has yet to load up yet. so sorry guys.
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Posted: Friday, August 21, 2009 - 04:24 AM UTC
Your talking about the wedge armour on the front. This is only on export verions.
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Posted: Friday, August 21, 2009 - 06:01 AM UTC
Cpt. Caveman,
I got the Leopard slat armor PE in a package deal and have no use for it. Let me know if you are interested.
As for the additional top turret armor, I think it's only on the Swedish Strv 122 and the Greek Leopard 2HEL. Thicker hatches to match.
If you are just getting in to Leo 2's then this site is helpful.
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/leo2.htm
Paul
I got the Leopard slat armor PE in a package deal and have no use for it. Let me know if you are interested.
As for the additional top turret armor, I think it's only on the Swedish Strv 122 and the Greek Leopard 2HEL. Thicker hatches to match.
If you are just getting in to Leo 2's then this site is helpful.
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/leo2.htm
Paul
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Posted: Friday, August 21, 2009 - 12:16 PM UTC
I agree...there is no add-on armour on the turret roof of the standard Leopard 2A5 or 2A6....just on the front of the turret.
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Posted: Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 02:53 PM UTC
Ok you guys are on point with that non armor added to the turret, but I see that it's a build up in the typr of turrets construction. With that said heres a photo of a Seetish 2A6 Leopard.
An when I was talking about addon armor I was thinking about an added plastic part to the turret in the Hobbyboss kit. An some how I got stuck on real armor. Sorry for that, any way I found some images of a Danish Leoprad with that slat Armor in Afghanistan.
An when I was talking about addon armor I was thinking about an added plastic part to the turret in the Hobbyboss kit. An some how I got stuck on real armor. Sorry for that, any way I found some images of a Danish Leoprad with that slat Armor in Afghanistan.
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Posted: Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 03:55 PM UTC
Now some of the photo my not be from afghanistan.
So in my viewing of these photos and otheres I would need the Hobbyboss German Leoprad 2A6 kit to have the right looking tank. Here's some image and kit points.
Now here's the points: The German and Danish kits are just a like., but with some parts trees you can make these kits in to two different tanks. Now with that in-mind to buld the Danish Leo in Afgan, I would need the tank designation of 2A6. I think the 2A6 mdel designation is right for the version that is or has bean serving in afghanistan.
Any way in the hobbyboss kit of the german leo there are some parts trees that have the round headlights that have the look of the Afgan version and turret baskets., unlike the Danish kit there's hull armor as well as turret attachments that differe a bit.
So in my viewing of these photos and otheres I would need the Hobbyboss German Leoprad 2A6 kit to have the right looking tank. Here's some image and kit points.
Now here's the points: The German and Danish kits are just a like., but with some parts trees you can make these kits in to two different tanks. Now with that in-mind to buld the Danish Leo in Afgan, I would need the tank designation of 2A6. I think the 2A6 mdel designation is right for the version that is or has bean serving in afghanistan.
Any way in the hobbyboss kit of the german leo there are some parts trees that have the round headlights that have the look of the Afgan version and turret baskets., unlike the Danish kit there's hull armor as well as turret attachments that differe a bit.
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Posted: Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 03:56 PM UTC
Here's the turret attachments of the German Leo 2A5/A6 then that of the Danish Leo 2A5DK
Parts tree with the kits photo-etch set.
Tamiya Leo photo-etch set.
Parts tree with the kits photo-etch set.
Tamiya Leo photo-etch set.
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Posted: Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 04:18 PM UTC
Now the Danish Loe parts:
An like ChrisJ pointed out and I quote :wedge armour on the front: An you can see that in the first photo of my 3rd post.
Ptruhe as you can see I just going it about the Quote: Swedish Strv 122 and the Greek Leopard 2HEL, as you can see in my photos in post 1. The first two photos, as for the slat PE set I do see I would need to solder the thin fins together and I suck at soldering so I'm going o fall back on what I do best and scratchbuild the full set. An thanks for the link I have it saved.
Now I have just ordered the Swedish Leo STRV 122 so I can build that version as well.
But and yes there's a but in there like CmLeo and I stated "Research is the key" So I'm off to do a lot of slat armor and color as well as finding those mags for info. Oh and next post I have on the way, I have some photos a fully armored turret and hull and I think that this would look good on my swdish 122 kit.
An like ChrisJ pointed out and I quote :wedge armour on the front: An you can see that in the first photo of my 3rd post.
Ptruhe as you can see I just going it about the Quote: Swedish Strv 122 and the Greek Leopard 2HEL, as you can see in my photos in post 1. The first two photos, as for the slat PE set I do see I would need to solder the thin fins together and I suck at soldering so I'm going o fall back on what I do best and scratchbuild the full set. An thanks for the link I have it saved.
Now I have just ordered the Swedish Leo STRV 122 so I can build that version as well.
But and yes there's a but in there like CmLeo and I stated "Research is the key" So I'm off to do a lot of slat armor and color as well as finding those mags for info. Oh and next post I have on the way, I have some photos a fully armored turret and hull and I think that this would look good on my swdish 122 kit.
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Posted: Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 04:34 PM UTC
Any one know what's this camo style is called on the block styled tank Concept Armor I think.
Love that auto gun setup:
I think the thick turret of the swedish leo and some version of this armor would make up a out-standing build.
Oh an I'm sorry about typing sweetish, it should have bean swedish.
Love that auto gun setup:
I think the thick turret of the swedish leo and some version of this armor would make up a out-standing build.
Oh an I'm sorry about typing sweetish, it should have bean swedish.
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Posted: Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 05:27 PM UTC
You are getting some of your images and captions mixed up between the Danish Leopard 2A5DK and the Canadian Leopard 2A6Ms in Afghanistan. Three of the images you posted are Canadian tanks.
For a Danish Leopard 2A5DK you need the Hobby Boss Leopard 2A5DK kit as a starter or base kit...it has the correct front hull armour and the additional rear turret boxes.
It sounds like you are confusing the Leopard variants a bit.....the Danish Leopard 2A5DKs and the Swedish STRV122 Leopards have the rectangular headlights.....German and Canadian Leopards have the regular round headlights.
The grey Leopard is a demonstrator for IBD showing a new armour system....it is called the Leopard 2A4 Evolution.
There is no specific name for the urban camouflage on the Leopard 2A5 PSO demonstrator....it looks like an updated version of the British Berlin Brigade camouflage.
I would recommend the Eduard slat armour set to you.....it is easy to assemble as each section is one piece and you just twist the slats into place.....read my review.....you don't need to be able to solder anything.
For a Danish Leopard 2A5DK you need the Hobby Boss Leopard 2A5DK kit as a starter or base kit...it has the correct front hull armour and the additional rear turret boxes.
It sounds like you are confusing the Leopard variants a bit.....the Danish Leopard 2A5DKs and the Swedish STRV122 Leopards have the rectangular headlights.....German and Canadian Leopards have the regular round headlights.
The grey Leopard is a demonstrator for IBD showing a new armour system....it is called the Leopard 2A4 Evolution.
There is no specific name for the urban camouflage on the Leopard 2A5 PSO demonstrator....it looks like an updated version of the British Berlin Brigade camouflage.
I would recommend the Eduard slat armour set to you.....it is easy to assemble as each section is one piece and you just twist the slats into place.....read my review.....you don't need to be able to solder anything.
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Posted: Monday, August 24, 2009 - 01:48 AM UTC
CM you have major Leopard confusion. Its tough figuring out the late leopards here's a quick summary. 2A4 first developed this went up to 8 production batches with each having different modifications, then came the 2A5 these where up armoured and modified old stock from the 2A4s plus new production, then came the 2A5a6 ex series these are export only. Some countries bought these and upgraded current stock to this standard. So the end result is there are no two Leopards a like each country has different features. Different armor, different guns (between the two L44 and L55) different radios, gun sites. Building one of these variants needs some good research. Keep the question coming and I can try to help you with the research. The best thing to do with Leopards is to build 10 or more. Start by going to Prime portal.
I have a Can. Leopard build on the go here in the Canadian forum check that out for the slat side of your build.
I have a Can. Leopard build on the go here in the Canadian forum check that out for the slat side of your build.
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Posted: Monday, August 24, 2009 - 05:43 AM UTC
Caveman,
Just to clarify, the Hobby Boss Leopard 2A5/2A6 kit would be the base for a Canadian Leopard 2A6M and the Hobby Boss Leopard 2A5DK kit would be the base for the Danish Leopard 2A5DK in Afghanistan.
The question is whether or not the Eduard slat armor set would fit on the 2A5DK kit because of the different turret rear bins. That would be the main structural difference besides barrel length and the extra mine armor on the 2A6M.
Paul
Just to clarify, the Hobby Boss Leopard 2A5/2A6 kit would be the base for a Canadian Leopard 2A6M and the Hobby Boss Leopard 2A5DK kit would be the base for the Danish Leopard 2A5DK in Afghanistan.
The question is whether or not the Eduard slat armor set would fit on the 2A5DK kit because of the different turret rear bins. That would be the main structural difference besides barrel length and the extra mine armor on the 2A6M.
Paul
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Posted: Monday, August 24, 2009 - 09:47 AM UTC
All of you are right I am Confused and you have hit the proverbial nail on its head. Remember "Research Research Research" An the start to any good project you need reliable information. An this is why I came here to sort my confusion out. Thanks a lot guys.
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Posted: Monday, August 24, 2009 - 02:12 PM UTC
Don't sweat it...everyone has to start somewhere and the fact you like Leopard is great in my books.
What project are you working on first? Let's deal with that one and help you out where we can.
What project are you working on first? Let's deal with that one and help you out where we can.
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Posted: Monday, August 24, 2009 - 02:30 PM UTC
I'm glad to help with anyone doing Leopards as well.
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Posted: Monday, August 24, 2009 - 04:00 PM UTC
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The question is whether or not the Eduard slat armor set would fit on the 2A5DK kit because of the different turret rear bins. That would be the main structural difference besides barrel length and the extra mine armor on the 2A6M.
Very good question you raised Paul...well done. I don't think there is any change in the length of the turret slat. My reasoning is that the add-ons on the back of the Leopard 2A5DK replace the rear of the Leopard 2A6 turret internal and external stowage bins. I think if there is any increase in length it is very minimal as they would have tried to keep the dimensions pretty close.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 02:36 AM UTC
LeoCmdr my first project will be and these are the real photos to show wich one I want to build. I feel that now that I have the build sheet for the slat armor I can scratch build it my self. It realy looks eazy to build.
The Canadian Leopard 2A5 MBT
I'd love to build this version but that cloth or canvis camo looks hard to make.
Danish Leopard 2A5DK MBT
The Canadian Leopard 2A5 MBT
I'd love to build this version but that cloth or canvis camo looks hard to make.
Danish Leopard 2A5DK MBT
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 02:37 AM UTC
The next would be my own version concept tank with that British Berlin Brigade camouflage in tones on light gray to dark gray on this......
[2A4 Leopard with concept armor]:
With this tanks Thermal camera and Auto Gun platform.
Now I plan on using the Swedish Leopard kit for my concept.
[2A4 Leopard with concept armor]:
With this tanks Thermal camera and Auto Gun platform.
Now I plan on using the Swedish Leopard kit for my concept.