THERE IS AN ARTICLE ABOUGHT WWII HALFTRACK USED AS CONVOY SURVEY DURING VIETNAM WAR BY US ARMY.
DID I MISUNDERSTAND SOMETHING???
DID US USE MUSEUM EQUIPMENT FOR WAR?
IS ANYBODY HAVING INFO ABOUT THIS?
THANKS BAT-21
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WWII HALFTRACK DURING VIETNAM WAR
bat-21
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Posted: Friday, July 04, 2003 - 10:27 AM UTC
I`VE JUST BOUGHT AN OLD ISSUE OF FINE SCALE MODELER
THERE IS AN ARTICLE ABOUGHT WWII HALFTRACK USED AS CONVOY SURVEY DURING VIETNAM WAR BY US ARMY.
DID I MISUNDERSTAND SOMETHING???
DID US USE MUSEUM EQUIPMENT FOR WAR?
IS ANYBODY HAVING INFO ABOUT THIS?
THANKS BAT-21
THERE IS AN ARTICLE ABOUGHT WWII HALFTRACK USED AS CONVOY SURVEY DURING VIETNAM WAR BY US ARMY.
DID I MISUNDERSTAND SOMETHING???
DID US USE MUSEUM EQUIPMENT FOR WAR?
IS ANYBODY HAVING INFO ABOUT THIS?
THANKS BAT-21
ArmouredSprue
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Posted: Friday, July 04, 2003 - 01:33 PM UTC
As far as I know it in fact existed, they were used for airfield defense force and early in the war as convoy escorts, but they were quickly replaced by the GunTrucks in this roles...
Cheers
Cheers
keenan
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Posted: Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 02:32 AM UTC
Buddy of mine was an MP in Veitnam and drove a gun jeep. He told me he remembers seeing a few with the quad 50s on them. I am building the Nam version for the CWCO.
Shaun
Shaun
kkeefe
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Posted: Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 08:25 AM UTC
Years ago, I read a Fine Scale Modeler article that covered this subject. The author had also built a convoy escort halftrack model to go along with the article. I liked it so much that I built one too. I haven't seen any actual proof that it did indeed happen.
Marty
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Posted: Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 12:13 PM UTC
Hey Kevin, great model. Do you have any more pictures of it?
ArmouredSprue
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Posted: Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 12:33 PM UTC
Hi Kevin,
Nice looking model.
I only noticed that you didn´t change the drum ammo box, the correct ones are supposed to be 40mmm ammo cannisters, as see on Guntrucks, like NANCY, recently released by AFV Club.
Cheers
Nice looking model.
I only noticed that you didn´t change the drum ammo box, the correct ones are supposed to be 40mmm ammo cannisters, as see on Guntrucks, like NANCY, recently released by AFV Club.
Cheers
keenan
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 01:26 AM UTC
Paulo,
While I have yet to find a picture of a M16 in Vietnam I have seen the old drum style ammo cans on quad 50s in use there. I even saw one photo of jerry cans with the tops cut off used as ammo cans on the quad 50 mount.
Shaun
While I have yet to find a picture of a M16 in Vietnam I have seen the old drum style ammo cans on quad 50s in use there. I even saw one photo of jerry cans with the tops cut off used as ammo cans on the quad 50 mount.
Shaun
kkeefe
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 12:25 PM UTC
Marty.. thanks.
It was a lot of fun to do. No other photos currently exist, but I have thought of taking some more... someday.
Paulo.. thanks out to you too.
I completed this model back in April of 1985 (still looks good too!), and I'm not all that certain that after-market 40mm ammo cans were available back then.
It was a lot of fun to do. No other photos currently exist, but I have thought of taking some more... someday.
Paulo.. thanks out to you too.
I completed this model back in April of 1985 (still looks good too!), and I'm not all that certain that after-market 40mm ammo cans were available back then.
blaster76
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 04:13 PM UTC
I'm sure the French used them so there were probably a few hanging around from then that the ARVN would have had. No erason not to think we would have "borrowed" them in the early years
SniperSoldier
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 05:50 PM UTC
GREAT MODEL KEVIN - CONGRATS
ROBERTO
ROBERTO
ArmouredSprue
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2003 - 02:50 AM UTC
Keenan, you´re right!
It´s impossible to be 100% sure when you come to such conversions and odd subjects, specially to a combat vehicle, where the crew can put and arrange the things as they like.
But it´s definatelly an awesome model, congratulations to kkeefe.
Cheers
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It´s impossible to be 100% sure when you come to such conversions and odd subjects, specially to a combat vehicle, where the crew can put and arrange the things as they like.
But it´s definatelly an awesome model, congratulations to kkeefe.
Cheers
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GunTruck
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2003 - 02:55 AM UTC
Paulo - the drum canisters were still used in some half-tracks late into the 1950's. In researching the gun trucks in general, I haven't come across any conclusive (photographic) evidence of the half-track used in the convoy escort role. I don't doubt the veteran recollections, however. The modification to replace the drums with the 40mm ammo cans came in the mid-1960's to feed more ammunition to the thirsty guns. The drums were almost totally eliminated from the Quad .50 mounts during this time, at least referencing photo history.
I never modeled the half-track convoy escort because I couldn't verify its employment in that role...
Gunnie
I never modeled the half-track convoy escort because I couldn't verify its employment in that role...
Gunnie
keenan
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2003 - 03:27 AM UTC
I still haven't been able to come up with any pics of an M16 in Vietnam. However, for all of you rabid Gun truck fans I found the link below. Have at it kids...
Shaun
http://academic.uofs.edu/faculty/gramborw/atav/gunpictures.htm
Shaun
http://academic.uofs.edu/faculty/gramborw/atav/gunpictures.htm
animal
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2003 - 03:39 AM UTC
I have never seen any M-16 halftracks in Vietnam. We did have the Quad 50's opn the back of 2 1/2 tons and the M-54 five tons. We even had some on their own trailers that were used as perimeter defense. There could have been some used and is most likely they were during the French Indo War in the 1950's. But I have never seen them in the Army inventory of the Sixties or later.
keenan
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2003 - 04:37 AM UTC
The Fort Bliss AAA museum website lists the dates of service for the M16 as ending in 1955... Now I to have wonder if that was just for the AA role or if it includes ground support, too. Anyone want to call the curator at the National Ordinance Museum? This is really bothering me...
Shaun
Shaun
animal
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2003 - 07:18 AM UTC
I contacted the US Army Transportation Museum at Ft. Eustis and asked them to reserch the role of the M-16 halftrack and when it was taken out of service. I hope to have an answer for you soon.
ArmouredSprue
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2003 - 11:28 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Paulo - the drum canisters were still used in some half-tracks late into the 1950's. In researching the gun trucks in general, I haven't come across any conclusive (photographic) evidence of the half-track used in the convoy escort role. I don't doubt the veteran recollections, however. The modification to replace the drums with the 40mm ammo cans came in the mid-1960's to feed more ammunition to the thirsty guns. The drums were almost totally eliminated from the Quad .50 mounts during this time, at least referencing photo history.
I never modeled the half-track convoy escort because I couldn't verify its employment in that role...
Gunnie
hi Gunnie!
That was my point, I just saw the 40mm on the quads (most on the back of M35)...
Cheers
locoisfubar
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Posted: Monday, July 07, 2003 - 01:06 PM UTC
best i have found for u is books on halftracks in vietnam but havent found anything else no pics to go off of or anything else just books.
Havoc
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Posted: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 08:53 AM UTC
Does anybody have the Hunnicutt book on Halftracks? His research is pretty exhaustive...and it may well provide some insight into use of the Halftracks during the Vietnam War. I'd swear I've seen a picture of one somewhere... I'll see what I can dig up.
More likely than not, if they served, I would ASSUME that it was during the early part of the war, '65-'67 or so... As to that old Fine Scale Modeller article, there was just WAAAAY too much "flower power"-type graffitti on the vehicle to have been from that period,so I thought that this was somewhat anachronistic (sorry about the SAT word, but it fits...).
Aloha
Johnny B
More likely than not, if they served, I would ASSUME that it was during the early part of the war, '65-'67 or so... As to that old Fine Scale Modeller article, there was just WAAAAY too much "flower power"-type graffitti on the vehicle to have been from that period,so I thought that this was somewhat anachronistic (sorry about the SAT word, but it fits...).
Aloha
Johnny B
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Posted: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 06:20 AM UTC
The M-16 half track was not used by any American units during the Vietnam conflict. The vehicle was retired from active service in 1955. A few reserve units used the vehicle untill late 50's. They went out of service as the repair parts were depleted.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 06:40 AM UTC
Thanks Animal. I guess, that, as they say is that... Crap... Maybe I can use my halftrack for the "Twilight 1965" campaign...
Thanks again for getting the info.
Shaun
Thanks again for getting the info.
Shaun
kkeefe
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Posted: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 06:44 AM UTC
Thanks Animal for posting that.
Oh well, what the hell, it was a fun model to build, and was my first "Best of" award.
Oh well, what the hell, it was a fun model to build, and was my first "Best of" award.
kkeefe
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Posted: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 07:02 AM UTC
On second thought... and not to open up an argument here.
This still doesn't rule out left over French vehicles that some 'enterprising' US Motor Pool found and fixed up and put into service does it? The quad .50 mount is still in use and available today I believe.
This still doesn't rule out left over French vehicles that some 'enterprising' US Motor Pool found and fixed up and put into service does it? The quad .50 mount is still in use and available today I believe.
animal
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Posted: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 07:04 AM UTC
Hey in our world (modeling) we dictate what is real. I have built three variations of this vehicle. It is a neat model that lends itself to modifications. I beleive the IDF used this vehicle for many years. Like I said in a earlier post there may have been a few left over from the French Indo war. I do know that the French used them for different needs form perimeter defense to possibly convoy support. I guess we could do some research on this area. 
animal
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Posted: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 07:12 AM UTC
Kevin could be right in the early years (1964-1965) Finding parts would be the major problemthough. I was there in 1967-1968 and I can speak for my unit that we were not allowed any type of vehicle not in the inventory be be worked on in our motor pool. Thats not to say that other units were not able to get away with it. We had five Quad 50's on their trailers that we had positioned around our perimeter along with several security trucks for perimeter security. We also had a couple of the M-42 Dusters that were used at the entrance gates to our base camp.
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