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Armor/AFV: Axis - WWII
Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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Two weeks worth of work down the toilet!!!
Marty
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 06:24 AM UTC
Could someone take a look at these photos and tell me if there is anything I can do to fix my problem. This was my first attempt at using the chipped paint salt technique. The problem as you can probably tell is that instead of my kubelwagen being painted in uniform dark yellow (except where the paint chipped) there are numerous spots that are a lot lighter then the rest of the vehicle. Those areas seem to be where I applied water with a brush. As you probably know water is used to hold salt grains in place. I applied two layers of yellow paint to my vehicle but that obviously did not help. Is there anything I can do to salvage this project? I would prefer not to have to repaint it.

Thanks





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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 06:46 AM UTC

Marty,

To be honest, I don't think it looks that bad. But, it is a bit overdone for my tastes. Too much weathering, chips too big.

As far as fixing it, I don't think re-painting would be a bad choice. I can't think of anything else. Maybe an overspray of dark yellow might have a good effect. Other than that, I don't know.

The salt technique is hard to control as far as subelty is concerned. Again, i think the chips look good aside from there being too many and too big.

Steve
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 06:49 AM UTC
Marty I understand that this cannot be what you was expecting, but in my view it's not bad at all. I'll personally leave it as is, because the lighter spots look like to be the "next candidates" to be chipped...
Ciao
waterboy
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 06:52 AM UTC
Don't give up hope yet. You might try several washes with a dark brown or even black to try and blend the edges. also when your done a little pastel chalk dust might do the trick. I put all my vehicles in a dio setting and it seems to me the lighter sections of paint might even enhance that weathered effect your trying to achieve
steve203
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 06:55 AM UTC
I think after you wash and weather, you won't be able to tell the difference.
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 06:57 AM UTC
I agree with whats been said above Marty. Go ahead with the rest of the weathering. It should blend all together nicely.
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 07:17 AM UTC
If the vehicle was to be in North Africa then do not worry...it looks like it was in a sandstorm
Weather can take a heavy toll on vehicles

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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 07:21 AM UTC
i dont think its too bad, i agree with the others, go ahead and complete it as normal and then decide. if the worst comes to the worst you could always use it as a destroyed vehicle.
Marty
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 07:41 AM UTC
Thank you all for your comments and suggestions. I will continue with the project and hopefully between washing, drybrushing and pastel chalks I will be able to even things out. As far as the chips being too big and having too many of them, this is the look I was going for. I am trying to represent a kubelwagen which has been around the block a few times too many. I will submit more photos as my project progresses.
Savage
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 07:53 AM UTC
Marty

Take heart, I think once you have finished the entire weathering and washing process it will not look bad at all. As anyone will tell you no paint in the desert weathers evenly.

Tiger101
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 07:59 AM UTC
Marty weather it and finish you may be surprised at the results. Many times I have looked at a model after trying a new method and been upset. Then as I plug along the look changes. Each time I learn something new and I make the methods work for me.

Never quit!
ModlrMike
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 08:31 AM UTC
I think it looks OK. There might be more chipping than would normally be expected, but overall it looks good to me. Once weathered and detailed, you will probably be happy with the end result. One of the mixed blessings of trying new techniques is that you have to learn as you go and sometimes it doesn't turn out just like the article explained.
TankCarl
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 08:55 AM UTC
It looks Fine Marty.If you could add some dents,that would lend credance to the "been around the block" story.I agree after weathering,it will blend nicely. (++) (++)
WeWillHold
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 09:00 AM UTC
Marty

If you are using acrylics you can always soak the model in clean brake fluid, which removes the paint, and start over.

I'm not saying you should do this, its just an alternative if you are not happy with the results of your painting/weathering.

Good luck!


Steve
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 09:26 AM UTC
Marty,
I tried placing the salt in places where normal wear and tare would happen at. Your model doesnt look all to bad. Do some black and brown washing along with some weathering and that kubel of yours will look pretty beat up, alot like my M113. Your model isnt fubared yet, you can still save it
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 11:28 AM UTC
I think it looks fine.
sgirty
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 11:45 AM UTC
Hi. I am going to agree with most of the others. Once you get it weathered with maybe a wash and some dry-brushings you might be surprised at how it comes out. This looks like something I may want to try myself for chipped paint.

Remember, vehicles in the desert took one h--- of a beating from heat, sand storms, occasional rains, and just general wear and tear of combat conditions. I really don't hink it's over-done that much myself.

Take care, sgirty
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 11:47 AM UTC
I can only echo what everybody else believes........ go ahead and after washes and filters, this might not be so noticeable. But in any event, the effect looks good, because if you look at chipped paint on construction machinery... the colour can be faded in these areas anyway!! I always feel the same when I try something new!
Keep us posted with your results as this is quite interesting......This salt technique seems to be the "in-thing" at the moment!
animal
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 12:08 PM UTC
Youare guilty of the same thing that I think we have all been guilty of at one time or another. That is that we are are worst critics... Your eyes are looking for the finished product before it's finished. You are only half way there. Let your minds"Eye" look past this point and you will see the finished work of art.. You have a winner here for sure. The quickest way to sucess is a lot of mini failers. But there are no failers if you try. Beleive it or not but I have won first place and best of shows with a total failer. If it's broke great. Now you have a new model of a wreck. I guess I'm trying to say in a long winded way always think positive..
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 12:48 PM UTC
Marty,

I also echo the above posts. I think that it looks great! Weather it, and continue along!.

If you're still not happy with the outcome when you finish (but I bet that you'll be very happy with it!!) just chaulk it up to experience. You'll learn a lot from this one buddy!!
Grifter
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 01:08 PM UTC
I think it won't look nearly as different once you get the rest of the vehicle weathered. It sort of looks like those lighter areas are loosing their grip on the metal and are going to flake off next.
Marty
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 01:23 PM UTC
Thanks guys. I was really upset with the way the paint job came out but I took a few dozen deep breaths and counted to about a 100. This calmed me down and after reading your posts and suggestions I decided to spare my model the meeting with lighter fluid and a match (just kidding). I then applied two washes and after they had dried I dry-brushed the model. I must say it is looking a lot better. The contrast between the lighter and darker spots is no longer so stark. I think I may be able to salvage it after all. Thank you for talking some sense into me. :-)
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 01:31 PM UTC
marty
you make me crazy!
i would like to make this kind of weathering on my vehicles. please explain your complete
procedure.
i think that it needs only some oilpainting and it will be more than ok.
bat-21
Marty
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 01:33 PM UTC
Here is an updated photo. This is after two washes and a dry-brush.

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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 01:40 PM UTC
As I was reading the posts after seeing the photos, I kept thinking what everybody else was saying. Then I saw the after photos and I see were right. Great job. This thing looks great. I would like to ask for my benefit, was the base coat Tamiya? I used the salt techique over Floquil a couple of weeks ago, and I did not get the extreme discoloration. Maybe a quick coat of dullcoat to seal the base will keep that from happening next time? Anyway, once again, beautiful job.

Patrick
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