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My first big 1:35 Dio.
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Hordaland, Norway
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Posted: Friday, October 23, 2009 - 08:49 AM UTC
This is my first dio with buildings and people. And i am pretty new to this compared to you other guys here. The place and time is not really set. Because it was more of an idea i just had to get down on paper, or plastic sort of speak.

The scene is about two German tanks with their crew resting in a little town after some heavy bombardement.

One of the houses is from miniart, and the other i made completely by myself.

Both of the tanks i am using is from dragon. Panther and a Elefant. Its not 100% decided yet. i have a few other tanks that could go in nicely as well.

But for now this is my progress on the dio. I am not a pro, and only 27 at age, so go easy. But feedback is nice, and please share ideas.























The stone road i made out of cernit/super sculpy.






The house is made of, kork, balsa, cardboard and normal types of wood.

Hope you guys like it so far. I am tinkering with the idea of making the right side top corner of the house blown of. I think that would have added a little more drama to the scene.
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Posted: Friday, October 23, 2009 - 11:04 AM UTC
Hello Jarle
Wow, this is an ambitious project. So far I think you are doing really well and I like the layout. Your scratchbuilt building is coming along nicely and I am impressed with the level of detail with the balsa work. You mentioned you were not sure of the setting yet but for now, a great effort, keep us posted.
Regards
Garth
jk_conix
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Posted: Friday, October 23, 2009 - 11:15 AM UTC
Thanks allot. It is a little big, but i wanted more than one tank on it so it just had to be sized up. But the biggest reason for the size is that i got a special cabinet for it. Shall post a photo of it tomorrow. from now on i am scratch building all my buildings. It is so much more fun to do it from the ground up, and unique. Again thanks for the comment.
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Posted: Friday, October 23, 2009 - 02:17 PM UTC
Looking good. Nice composition so far. One critique is the floor. I dont like the way the floor boards on the second floor have no overlap or zigzag pattern. Having them all end at the same place doesnt look right.
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Posted: Friday, October 23, 2009 - 03:05 PM UTC
Jarle ,i think what Scott means is that you need more floor joists set at 18 inch centers in the floor ,then your floor boards can have their joints at different spacings -3 ft , 6 ft ,12 ft etc. Find a friend with an old house and basement and check out the underside of the floor.Same with the outer walls ,vertical studs at 18 to 24 inchs. Other than that , awesome build Jim
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Posted: Friday, October 23, 2009 - 08:25 PM UTC
Jarle,
I love the work. Keep it up. I have a Miniart building that I am working on also. It is the German shed. What I like about yours is the nice smooth texture with the greenish grey paint. Also, the cobblestone is nicely done.

I think I know what the other guys were saying about the second floor. It looks a little off scale maybe. What size joist do they use in Europe? In the States we use inches, so something like a 2 x 6 is pretty normal. My house was built in the 1920s and that is what it has, so I think that has been standard for quite a while. I imagine that in Europe it would be centimeters but perhaps there would be a lack of uniformity as European buildings also tend to be older.

Sorry I can't be of much more help.

Billy
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Posted: Friday, October 23, 2009 - 09:05 PM UTC
Hi Jarle,

This is very good for a first effort, i would say even better.
What Scott said is true, next time you simply do an alternative ending of the floor boards.
You can hise it this time by putting debris (stones and roof material ) just over parts of the fixing points of the flor boards.

My biggest concern is: How are you going to fill the joints between the cobbles? How are going to paint all your wood.
Your house looks great , but nearly untouchable anymore.

To my eyes evertything looks ok scalewise. In old houses you can have joists as big as in castles :-)

To conclude, this is a wonderful first effort, but i am really looking forward how you are going to finish it without breaking everything!
I wish you luck

Claude
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Posted: Friday, October 23, 2009 - 09:51 PM UTC
Aaaaaa. If humans could have light bulbs light up over their heads, i just had one. Thats brilliant on the floor boards. Its not to late to change it . I am making the floor bigger there allso since there is un touched area behind there.

The inspiration for the building i got when i where in Czech rep to visit my girlfriend father. He owns an over 200 years old building. So the height of each floor was different on every floor. As specially the top floor. So there is where i got the look for the house from. But he also has an even older building that he has an restaurant in. I do not know what style it is, but the roof look like roman style with the columns and arcing roof. I wanted to build that but did not know where to start.

When i think about it. Might actually want to change out the mini art house and try to replica the restaurant building. Hmm, what do you think of that idea?

I shall fix the floor issue. Think that would make things much nicer.

But thanks for the critics. Much needed.
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Posted: Friday, October 23, 2009 - 10:00 PM UTC
Here is a photo of the box im putting the dio in. I got it from my old hobbyshop job. They didnt need it so they gave it to me I think i am going to repaint it.

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Posted: Friday, October 23, 2009 - 11:34 PM UTC
Here is the floor so far. Any better? And i forgot to answer what measurement i use. I use cm and mm. The scale on the floor boards is maybe as close as i think it is, because from what i could see the floor boards was even bigger looking than mine. I saw this in one section of the house that is being renovated. The old planks where huge. Maybe 20x4cm pluss minus, maybe a little smaller. Should have taken photos

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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 12:27 AM UTC
Bingo! Thats what that floor needed - nice job.
jk_conix
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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 12:46 AM UTC
Thanks allot. It looked much better. But i am thinking of making wooden walls with maybe some paper or what its called? Every one has it. Its like big rolls of paper that get glued on the wall, do not remember the English word for it.. And later make some shelves and tables. And i am thinking maybe of a fire place some where?
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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 01:15 AM UTC

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paper that get glued on the wall, do not remember the English word for it.



LOL, i am also all to often do not find a word, but this one i know:

Paper glued on the wall is : Wallpaper

Well done on the floor boards, you are very quick !

Claude
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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 01:57 AM UTC
Looking nice. It's much bigger than my first "big" project. Look forward to how it turns out.
jk_conix
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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 02:03 AM UTC
Oh my god hehehe. It all just came back to me, paper on the wall, wallpaper. Ohh well.

Thanks again, it had to be done.
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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 02:09 AM UTC
Hey, this looks really good as a start!

I also should build something using wood and stone.
The lot of wooden-parts I wanted to use for my Atlantic-wall-dio. But at the moment I delayed the plans for this.

greetings...
Soeren
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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 02:24 AM UTC
Jarle, Floors look realistic now. What Claude was saying, about covering the outside walls with plaster coating, going to be hard now as the building is up. Not impossible, but though. Don't forget to add all your wiring for light fixtures and exposed plumbing. Looks like a good start to me. One other thing,make sure your debri pill equals the damage to your building. Happy modeling.
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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 02:36 AM UTC
Looking fwrd to seeing this big Ole project come to life.... keep up the outstanding work.... love the flooring btw!!
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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 02:58 AM UTC
Ill try to semi build up the walls with material and use the same amount on the ground so it is not to much or to little. I was thinking of using normal thin spackel or tamiya putty. I do not know yet.
jk_conix
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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 09:20 AM UTC
Here is some progress i made tonight. Hope you like it.









Tank commander reading a book.


Building the toilet area in the corner. And later on with some plumbing.
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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 10:49 AM UTC
Looking good so far. Keep in mind the Elefant was only used in very specific theatres, so if you are concerned with accuracy you may want to research the use of the Elefant. Good luck!
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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 11:03 AM UTC
Yeah i know. That fact was lurking in the back of my head. But the tiger 2 and panters where used in many places as far as i know. Going to check that out witch paint scheme i am going for on them. I am also considering using a tiger one and some Czech produced skoda tanks the Germans used. That will be decided later on in the build. Want to see what fits best. maybe one big tank with to smaller ones like the marder etc. Buuuut we shall see.

Any suggestions?
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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 10:25 PM UTC
mate! thats a brilliant start! i am working on my first, and am using a ceramic building. I dont think i would ever try to build one for my first attempt! That is brilliant work!
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Posted: Sunday, November 15, 2009 - 10:53 AM UTC
Hey folks, havent been modeling for a little while now. But had some time of work this weekend and there was just bad weather so i could not ride my bike or drive the rc cars. Anyhuu, im back with a little update on the building process.

Have started a little on the damage details on the building. A damaged house is not complete without a little damage from fires right?. I found out the best way was actually to just put the house on fire. literally, But in slow progress. the balsa burns as tissue paper. I burned it for under a second before blowing it out. Best to paint first, then burn. The paint slowed down the burning progress. Sounds a little crazy burning the model. But found this to be as realistic as i could get it.









I am aspecially satisfied with this area.
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Posted: Sunday, November 15, 2009 - 06:46 PM UTC
Well, i treated my last house (1/35) with a hammer, so you are in good company.

I had another painting advice but it is now probably to late.
I saw only now that you painted your whole woodwork with the same oilwash.
To give this a bit of color my advise would be to paint the floorboards in another color then the joists.
Use a more red-brown color (mix them) , apply a bit thicker and eventually wip away again.
Start with one floor and see if you like it.

Play a bit with colors!

Claude
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