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Actually Gary, you've brought something up that I was going to ask. How often did you bathe? Were there proper showers in your fire base? If not, how long would you have to go without one?
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Joe,
let me put it this way; you stunk real bad! How bad? When we cruised thru our batallion area in transit the first thing that happened was their showers were warmed up and there was plenty of soap. There would be fresh clothes. More often than not they'd simply burn the old stuff.

When I was down on Gator watching Colon Powel fly by every morning we had a shower built out of the biggest napalm tanks out there. But alas there was no heated water, and you really didn't need it when it got hot. When we were out in the Que Son Valley there really was no water to spare for anything formal like a shower. But there was a small stream down at the base of the hill we were on if you dared! (we had one guy who went down there unarmed and butt naked everynight at 6:00pm) Some places you begged for rain just to take a shower and others were much better. Still if you planed on operating out of that base camp for an extended period you'd often fabricate somekind of shower (usually a pair of wing tanks)if you had a source for water. Thien Phouc had a nice river flowing near by, so every afternoon we'd all go down there in twos and threes with a bar of soap (we had lots of soap but no water a third of the time). But when the monsoon season rolled around you were not going to the streams to get clean. They would stay in a semi flood stage for about three months, or untill the rains letup for about a week. Then you'd see a bunch of guys dancing around naked in the rain with a bar of soap. We had a five ton truck with a weld fabricated tank on it and a water tanker in tow when we were down on Gator and places like that. They would create a detail that would drive the truck into the water purification plant there. The big tank was full of non-potable water (showers and things like that). The tanker trailer was drinking water and mess hall use. When the guys got back (after going to the Americal PX and chasing some of the local scenery); they go from gun to gun filling up all their water cans and then head to all the other squads. Last stop off was the mess hall; where the trailer was parked. Then we'd do the whole route all over again with the non-potable water supply. Plus fill the shower tanks. Then the truck was parked right behind the showers for a refill when needed. Needless to say this was regarded as most desirable duty! Of course when your out in the middle of no where you wont need the five ton with the water tank, but you will need drinking water.

Some details were worse that others, and some looked a lot worse than they were. We never hauled ammo on the road, and Service Battery did all that unless we were out in the field. You had to learn how to play the game.

The main thing about Vietnam was picking of a fungus or ring worm. Jungle rot was fairly common place. It was hard to stay clean unless you were stationed in the rear. Some places were so bad that they'd actually rotate five or six guys thru the batallion area just to get cleaned up. Batallion always knew in advance who was comming in and about what time they'd be there. That way the showers would be hot and clean clothes would be ready in the correct sizes. I remember once hitting the Battalion A.O. after dark with the showers dry, and Honneycutt leading the way. Be thinking pain and suffering!!!But the best part was Honneycutt's cleaned uniforms. They gave him a set with PFC stripes on them instead of First Sargents stripes. It was a very bad night for the REMF's (almost forgot the water tanker was empty as well).
gary
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Posted: Thursday, May 06, 2010 - 09:11 AM UTC
Gary,
Speaking of jungle rot, I read "A hundred miles of bad road" by Dwight Birdwell a couple of days back, after you recommended it & he mentions something he contracted that started with immersion foot & then went right up his legs & round his belly. Yuck!
Oh man, I'd be afraid of important things falling off!
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Posted: Thursday, May 06, 2010 - 04:05 PM UTC

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Gary,
Speaking of jungle rot, I read "A hundred miles of bad road" by Dwight Birdwell a couple of days back, after you recommended it & he mentions something he contracted that started with immersion foot & then went right up his legs & round his belly. Yuck!
Oh man, I'd be afraid of important things falling off!
Joe.



Immersion foot is another name for Trench Foot; which I think you might know about from the trenches of WWI. What he was probably refering to is ring worm. Everybody got it at one time or another, and it usually started out with an infected open wound of some kind or another. The best thing we found for getting rid of it was bug killer in the clear plastic bottles to ward off misquitos (they got fat on the stuff). There was a ring worm medicene, and it would work if you could stay dry for about two weeks strait. Jungle rot was like a big ugly open sore, and in some cases was near impossible to get rid of. I had it once just above my ankle, and they used a medicene that was intended for pigs. Infections of one kind or another were common place, and in some cases you had to go back to the rear to get rid of them with daily treatments at the Evac hospital. I had one like that once that had all the syntoms of Lukemia, and of course the First Sargent asks me who the girl was??? I said think about it! There's not a women within 25 miles! A lot of guys caught the flue several times and pneumonia was common in the wet months of the year.
gary

P.S. did that book make your hair stand up?? Now there's a guy with nine lives if there ever was one! The deal with the blown M48's in front of him was unreal
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Posted: Thursday, May 06, 2010 - 05:08 PM UTC
David Althaus
I don't ever remembering the Marines having M-109's?
They did their training at FT.Sill on M-107's?
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Posted: Thursday, May 06, 2010 - 08:55 PM UTC
Gary,
Yeah, Dwight Birdwell, the cat with nine lives!
I liked the bit where he volunteered to take his lone tank into an ambush to rescue the M113 crew. He went in & got them. Brought them out & was then told there was another crew in the kill zone! He went straight back in for a second time & came out again unscathed.
In my opinion he should have been awarded the CMH!
Joe.
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 - 06:44 AM UTC

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David Althaus
I don't ever remembering the Marines having M-109's?
They did their training at FT.Sill on M-107's?
Mrosko



I cannot say for sure that the Marines used M109's, but suspect that somewhere along the way they did. The original units using M110's and M107's were Army units attached to Marine units. Even though they were still an arm of Americal Division Artillary. They did not start to train Marine on the heavier SPG's till right after the first of the year in 1968. To be exact it was the group that came in after I went thru track school. My orders were cut to head way up north on an M107 outfit, but ended up in the trash can. We knew we were going to be part of a Marine unit weeks before we were done training at Sill, but in the end it never happened (what a waste of tax dollars!)

I did see a Marine squad broke down on the side of Highway One up near Five Four using an M52 (maybe M53) 155mm SPG with a real long barrel. We stopped and offered them help, but they said they had a wrecker comming. I'd like to add one more thing here before the thought gets lost. Marines and Army guys often worked together without the slightest problems people like to talk about. When you engage the enemy; atitudes change, and you are welcomed by the other guys. Back in the rear it was different, but never in the bush. When my base camp was under siege for about three and a half months they brought in a Marine Batallion (maybe a Regiment), as well as one from the 196th and 101st Airborne. Plus another from the 198th. There was never a problem like the pin heads in the books like to write
gary
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 - 06:58 AM UTC

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Gary,
Yeah, Dwight Birdwell, the cat with nine lives!
I liked the bit where he volunteered to take his lone tank into an ambush to rescue the M113 crew. He went in & got them. Brought them out & was then told there was another crew in the kill zone! He went straight back in for a second time & came out again unscathed.
In my opinion he should have been awarded the CMH!
Joe.



lots of folks still mad as hell about that clerk screwing him out of the CMH!!!! Better man than I'll ever be in two life times

The one that got me was when they were road marching up Tan Son Nhut. The three tracks just ahead of him are knocked out, and he shot every round in the tank with most of the crew shot up. He then climbs out and gets ammo off of the knocked out tracks. Then he has a hang fire, and takes the round out with his bare hands (barrel is red hot). Only to have to do it all over again. How he survived is still a complete mystery to me! And they talk about Audie Murphy?
gary
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 - 08:26 AM UTC
Yeah, I agree, that was pretty mad, too!
How he never got killed I just dont know. It really is a great book to read.
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 - 04:31 PM UTC

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Yeah, I agree, that was pretty mad, too!
How he never got killed I just dont know. It really is a great book to read.
Joe.



my brother inlaw was in the 1/4 CAV when the Big Red One was over there. But when they went home he was sent north to B Troop 1st of the 1st Armored CAV. Right there in my AO!! When he came home he told me about this guy that must have had nine lives in the 3/4 CAV!! I never knew what outfit he was in till he drug out a stack of pictures one day. In there was a CBL'd M113 out on the Tam Key Road. (note: we never called it the Tam Key Road, but the Thien Phouc Road) I asked him where he took that photo, and then I told him exactly where it sat. Also told him who blew it in place. That's when I found out he was in the CAV unit that operated on our back door! Later we had a guy we worked with that was from Alpha Troop 1/1 CAV at the same exact time! Larry's CAV unit never made it to my base camp while I was there, but we did run accross his unit several times during my tour. Rick's unit was out of Hawk Hill way east of me, and I used to fly thru there all the time while he was there. Rick used to do the mine sweep on Highway One every morning, while Larry was full tilt combat boogie out my way. He was the TC in the lead track that broke the Siege at Thien Phouc in late May or Early June 1969. Small world!

When I get time I'll tell you a story about Rick when he was down at Pleiku in 1967. Trust me it's so funny it'll bring tears to your eyes, but will be banned from this board!
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 - 08:01 PM UTC
Gary,
Yeah, it is a small world. And I cant wait to hear your funny story.
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David Althaus
I don't ever remembering the Marines having M-109's?
They did their training at FT.Sill on M-107's?
Mrosko



Chris -

When I was at Ft. Sill in 1968, we trained on the M-107, M-108, M-109 and the M-110. This was the Officers Basic Course, so our training was not as in depth as the canoneers received. They did give us a pretty good understanding of those guns during the maintenance protion of the course. I felt I was well trained when I finally got to an M-109 battery several years later.

4/11, 4/12 and 4/13 all had M-109's in Vietnam by mid-1969. I am not sure exactly when they received them. The advantage the M-109 had over the M-114 was that it could shoot 6400 mills (360 degrees) without having to displace like the towed piece.

When I got to 4/10 in 1973, the battalion had just upgraded from the M-109's to M-109A1's. The Marines kept the M-109's around for a decade or so after they traded the 105's (M-101's) for M-114's and then M-198's. I think the last Marine combat use of the M-109's (M-109A2's) was in Desert Storm.

I loved the M-109, but SP howitzers have a serious disadvantage compared to a towed piece. When the prime mover on a towed piece breaks down, all you have to do is hook up some Marines to the piece and move it to another truck. When an SP breaks down, you are missing a pice of artillery until you can get the vehicle back up.

We found this out the hard way at Camp Lejeune a few decades ago. During an amphib exercise my battery was aboard an LST. We hit some very rough weather while we were at sea and got bounced around pretty good before the landing. After the landing, by the time we were doing our third displacement the guns just started dying on the tank trails. I had 4 of my 6 guns spread out all over Camp Lejeune for engine problems. The answer became obvious when we pulled the fuel filters...they were completely loaded with gunk and water.

We gigured htese guins had been run pretty hard for a few years before this exercise and the fuel cells had never been cleanded or changed out. Since the fuels cells are well baffled, we figured the crud and water from the years of opns had settled into the bottoms of the tanks, held there by the baffles. When we hit the rough seas, the crud and water was remixed into the fuel and eventually pumped to the engines and trapped by the filters. Fortunately, all it cost us was a few fuel filters and time, but it was a valuable maintenance experience.

Amphibious operations always present challenges that you don't normally encounter in regular artillery ops.

Semper Fi,
Dave
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Posted: Monday, May 17, 2010 - 07:18 AM UTC
Hi Dave,
Now that is something that I'd never thought of. There is quite a lot of crap in diesel fuel & this crap always collects at the bottom of the fuel tank. If you run the tank too low all this crap is carried up the pipes & as you say, blocks all the filters. A real pain in the ass!
Thanks a bunch for great little story.
Joe.
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Posted: Monday, May 17, 2010 - 07:20 AM UTC

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David Althaus
I don't ever remembering the Marines having M-109's?
They did their training at FT.Sill on M-107's?
Mrosko



I cannot say for sure that the Marines used M109's, but suspect that somewhere along the way they did. The original units using M110's and M107's were Army units attached to Marine units. Even though they were still an arm of Americal Division Artillary. They did not start to train Marine on the heavier SPG's till right after the first of the year in 1968. To be exact it was the group that came in after I went thru track school. My orders were cut to head way up north on an M107 outfit, but ended up in the trash can. We knew we were going to be part of a Marine unit weeks before we were done training at Sill, but in the end it never happened (what a waste of tax dollars!)

I did see a Marine squad broke down on the side of Highway One up near Five Four using an M52 (maybe M53) 155mm SPG with a real long barrel. We stopped and offered them help, but they said they had a wrecker comming. I'd like to add one more thing here before the thought gets lost. Marines and Army guys often worked together without the slightest problems people like to talk about. When you engage the enemy; atitudes change, and you are welcomed by the other guys. Back in the rear it was different, but never in the bush. When my base camp was under siege for about three and a half months they brought in a Marine Batallion (maybe a Regiment), as well as one from the 196th and 101st Airborne. Plus another from the 198th. There was never a problem like the pin heads in the books like to write
gary



I completely agree with Gary on this one. Marines and soldiers worked very well together in the field. I think this was especially true in artillery. We all traineind together at Ft. Sill. Our weapons and techniques were almost completely interchangeable. (We Marines ahd a few quirky things in our procedures and command structures that are related to amphibious operations, but fo rthe most part we are completely interoperable.) It was usually only in the rear and with higher echelons that problems occured.

Probably hte biggest cause of inter-service rivalry in Vietnam related to air assets. In the Marine Corps, our aviation elements are an integral part of our total force. They really function as our very long range artillery. In Vietnam, the Air Force took tactical control of the Marine air assets, which left Marine units without their required air support at times.

By the time I got there in 1969, most of the problems had been worked out....but early in the war, quite a few folks got emotional wedgies over the issue. When a marine calls for close air support (CAS) he likes to know that another Marine is driving the bomb truck. Marine pilots just understand how to do CAS better than the others.

Semper Fi,
Dave
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Posted: Monday, May 17, 2010 - 07:27 AM UTC
Hi Dave,
I heard that there were quite a lot of problems caused by this setup at higher echelons. Some feathers got seriously ruffled!
Do you feel that you were let down a little by USAF?
Joe.
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Hi Dave,
Now that is something that I'd never thought of. There is quite a lot of crap in diesel fuel & this crap always collects at the bottom of the fuel tank. If you run the tank too low all this crap is carried up the pipes & as you say, blocks all the filters. A real pain in the ass!
Thanks a bunch for great little story.
Joe.



Joe -

Yep. the fuel issue was a real pain. The bigger issue for the Marine Corps though is the issue of towed vs. self-propelled weapons.......and the weight of the towed guns.

In amphibious operations, Marines operate with very limited assets. With that in mind, you need a gun that is light enough to move from one prime mover to another.....while you are on a wet, pitching deck or in the surf line.

In my opinion, the Marine Corps made a mistake going to all 155's (M-114, M-198 and M-777) as direct support artillery. They are just too heavy to manhandle during the landing phase of an amphib operation. A much better choice would have been the M-119 in the DS battalions and leave the 155's in one or more GS battalions. Fortunately, the addition of the new 120 Mortars to the DS battalions will alleviate at least some of that problem once they are deployed.

Semper fi,
Dave
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Posted: Monday, May 17, 2010 - 07:48 AM UTC
Hi Dave,
Again, an interesting point. Of course, all that equipment must be able to get across a beach. Something else that I never thought of.
Wow, that must have been seriously hard work to move the M114 from one prime mover to the other in heavy seas!
Joe.
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Posted: Monday, May 17, 2010 - 08:08 AM UTC

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David Althaus
I don't ever remembering the Marines having M-109's?
They did their training at FT.Sill on M-107's?
Mrosko



Chris -

When I was at Ft. Sill in 1968, we trained on the M-107, M-108, M-109 and the M-110. This was the Officers Basic Course, so our training was not as in depth as the canoneers received. They did give us a pretty good understanding of those guns during the maintenance protion of the course. I felt I was well trained when I finally got to an M-109 battery several years later.

4/11, 4/12 and 4/13 all had M-109's in Vietnam by mid-1969. I am not sure exactly when they received them. The advantage the M-109 had over the M-114 was that it could shoot 6400 mills (360 degrees) without having to displace like the towed piece.

When I got to 4/10 in 1973, the battalion had just upgraded from the M-109's to M-109A1's. The Marines kept the M-109's around for a decade or so after they traded the 105's (M-101's) for M-114's and then M-198's. I think the last Marine combat use of the M-109's (M-109A2's) was in Desert Storm.

I loved the M-109, but SP howitzers have a serious disadvantage compared to a towed piece. When the prime mover on a towed piece breaks down, all you have to do is hook up some Marines to the piece and move it to another truck. When an SP breaks down, you are missing a pice of artillery until you can get the vehicle back up.

We found this out the hard way at Camp Lejeune a few decades ago. During an amphib exercise my battery was aboard an LST. We hit some very rough weather while we were at sea and got bounced around pretty good before the landing. After the landing, by the time we were doing our third displacement the guns just started dying on the tank trails. I had 4 of my 6 guns spread out all over Camp Lejeune for engine problems. The answer became obvious when we pulled the fuel filters...they were completely loaded with gunk and water.

We gigured htese guins had been run pretty hard for a few years before this exercise and the fuel cells had never been cleanded or changed out. Since the fuels cells are well baffled, we figured the crud and water from the years of opns had settled into the bottoms of the tanks, held there by the baffles. When we hit the rough seas, the crud and water was remixed into the fuel and eventually pumped to the engines and trapped by the filters. Fortunately, all it cost us was a few fuel filters and time, but it was a valuable maintenance experience.

Amphibious operations always present challenges that you don't normally encounter in regular artillery ops.

Semper Fi,
Dave



Welcome Home Dave!

the one major advantage the 155 towed had over the M109 was that it could do realistic zone sweeps before the other guys just got up and walked out of the kill zone. Also a half way decient crew could shift azmuths in about two and a half minutes, and be ready to accept the solution. You add these factors plus the fact that you could set a 155 (or a 105) towed gun just about anywhere, and have rounds in the air in less than ten minutes after the pig was let go of by the chopper. Yet most SPG's had a little more range than the towed guns, and in some cases were a better shooting platform. Yet more often than not you just didn't need that extra mile and a half. And last but not least, the M109 was like a sauna in the summer months!

Charlie didn't get any good cigars in his sundry packs
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Posted: Monday, May 17, 2010 - 08:11 AM UTC

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Hi Dave,
Again, an interesting point. Of course, all that equipment must be able to get across a beach. Something else that I never thought of.
Wow, that must have been seriously hard work to move the M114 from one prime mover to the other in heavy seas!
Joe.



Not too hard. They balance pretty good with the barrel hanging out front. Now when you take a ride ontop a 175 you bounce around so much that you almost get sea sick because they are so front heavy.
gary
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Posted: Monday, May 17, 2010 - 08:16 AM UTC
Feeling seasick on an M107 with all that Vietnam dust flying around. Wow, that must have been one hell of a ride!
Joe.
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David Althaus
I don't ever remembering the Marines having M-109's?
They did their training at FT.Sill on M-107's?
Mrosko



I cannot say for sure that the Marines used M109's, but suspect that somewhere along the way they did. The original units using M110's and M107's were Army units attached to Marine units. Even though they were still an arm of Americal Division Artillary. They did not start to train Marine on the heavier SPG's till right after the first of the year in 1968. To be exact it was the group that came in after I went thru track school. My orders were cut to head way up north on an M107 outfit, but ended up in the trash can. We knew we were going to be part of a Marine unit weeks before we were done training at Sill, but in the end it never happened (what a waste of tax dollars!)

I did see a Marine squad broke down on the side of Highway One up near Five Four using an M52 (maybe M53) 155mm SPG with a real long barrel. We stopped and offered them help, but they said they had a wrecker comming. I'd like to add one more thing here before the thought gets lost. Marines and Army guys often worked together without the slightest problems people like to talk about. When you engage the enemy; atitudes change, and you are welcomed by the other guys. Back in the rear it was different, but never in the bush. When my base camp was under siege for about three and a half months they brought in a Marine Batallion (maybe a Regiment), as well as one from the 196th and 101st Airborne. Plus another from the 198th. There was never a problem like the pin heads in the books like to write
gary



I completely agree with Gary on this one. Marines and soldiers worked very well together in the field. I think this was especially true in artillery. We all traineind together at Ft. Sill. Our weapons and techniques were almost completely interchangeable. (We Marines ahd a few quirky things in our procedures and command structures that are related to amphibious operations, but fo rthe most part we are completely interoperable.) It was usually only in the rear and with higher echelons that problems occured.

Probably hte biggest cause of inter-service rivalry in Vietnam related to air assets. In the Marine Corps, our aviation elements are an integral part of our total force. They really function as our very long range artillery. In Vietnam, the Air Force took tactical control of the Marine air assets, which left Marine units without their required air support at times.

By the time I got there in 1969, most of the problems had been worked out....but early in the war, quite a few folks got emotional wedgies over the issue. When a marine calls for close air support (CAS) he likes to know that another Marine is driving the bomb truck. Marine pilots just understand how to do CAS better than the others.

Semper Fi,
Dave



90% of our air stikes were from Marines air units. Mostly because that was what was in the area. Down south we often got air strikes out of Pleiku, and who knows where else. But if you got into deep do do you don't want to wait for a Marine or airforce pilot to fly a hundred miles up to get to you. Your just glad somebody was rolling thru the A.O. at the right time. Most of out intell bombing was done by Airforce planes, and after September 68 we really got into the B52 thing. Not knocking anybody, but we always felt that if you had to dump a load of snakeyes close and personal, you wanted a jarhead to do it everytime! On the otherhand Army chopper pilots were by far the best when you had to go somewhere you didn't want to be. If they couldn't get you outta there; nobody could.

I hated to go back to the rear just because of all the crap that was emitted from the REMF's. I never trusted them, and always kept my back covered. I did a lot of trading with Marines in Da Nang, and Sea Bees in Chu Lai, and would go to war with 85% of them. Hope they felt the samething about me. I did get into a couple bar room brawls in Da Nang, and was barred from visiting my batallion area for several months ( we did what Charlie never could do to a beer hall). A couple times it looked ugly in Da Nang till I went after the final solution. Then the old Gunny sargent would call the winner.
True combat guys know who's got their backs, and they don't look at name tags or branch of service stuff. My beer was their beer, and his C's were mine as well. That's one of the reasons I can't stand Keith Nolan (you could spot a true combat at arms guy when he shouldered upto the bar by the way the REMF's slid away to avoid the smell). Miss those guys and hope they did well

Charlie ain't got no bars to shoulder up to for a beer in the afternoon heat
gary
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Posted: Monday, May 17, 2010 - 09:18 AM UTC

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Feeling seasick on an M107 with all that Vietnam dust flying around. Wow, that must have been one hell of a ride!
Joe.



never rode on an M107 in Vietnam. That was on a blacktop road at Ft. Sill! Cannot imagine how bad it was in Vietnam
gary
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Gary,
So was the dust always a problem? I guess when it rained it all turned into mud, right?
Was the mud a real problem too?
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Gary,
So was the dust always a problem? I guess when it rained it all turned into mud, right?
Was the mud a real problem too?
Joe.



here's the deal, and take it for whatever it's worth. My AO was mostly the hard red clay (ala Tenessee mud). But there were some areas that were almost jet black. A 102 was mostly a brownish color, and have been on a few mountain tops that were almost yellow in color. Highway one up north was mostly dirt and gravel, but they did blacktop some stretches with the idea of making it harder for Charlie to plant a mine. The mud wasn't as bad as you might think if there was gravel in it. But once you got on pure dirt roads it was akin to the eastern front in places!
The red clay was the best to shoot off of if that matters, and the black dirt was the worst if it got wet (brown was bad as well). When you got out on the LZ's and the monsoon rolled in it became a slippery mess. Winches were used all the time till the ruts got so bad that you couldn't get a loaded five ton thru them. Dust was mostly bad in the summer months and on the main roads. Yet when a howitzer fires it still kicks up a lot of sand and dust. Guns with muzzel brakes were real bad about this. But as bad as it sounds it was nothing compaired to the mud and constant raining. When it started raining everybody was misrable, but you just deal with it.

Rain brought on major security issues, as it muffles sound. Fog was even worse as it muffles sound and you can't see fifteen feet in front of you. A wild dog or pig goes thru a trip wire and a thousand rounds are fired in a panic.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 06:35 PM UTC
Thanks for your insight Gary.
When the monsoon rolled in how long did it rain for? Was the rain continous for days on end or was it confined to the afternoons?
Joe.
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