I have bought the kit as soon as it became avalable from the manufacturer. I chose Pritschenwagen version over the radio car as I thought it will require less scratchbuilding or detailing as the radio car doesn't feauture any interior in the back.
The kit comes in a sturdy cardboard box which feautures nicely painted illustration on the top. Inside you will find instruction booklet with assembly guide in the 3D CAD rendering style, two big and one small sprues with kits parts molded in medium gray plastic and a small clear sprue for the cabs front glazing, packed together with set of decals for two vechicles in early war panzer gray scheme.
The sprues seem to be molded very wel, with no flash and the details are sharp. On the other hand A LOT of visible and otherwise basic details are missing, like hinges detail on all of the doors but the rear gate, rivets around front bumper and the locking mechanisms on stowage boxes lids under the cargo bed. Also there is no wood grain pattern on the planking inside the cargo bed. In addition to that two areas are totally wrong: tread plate pattern in the drivers cab seem to be totally wrong and the tyres lack "grooves" on the tyre face and have recessees on the tyre shoulder which just shouldn't be there.
Let's get to the pictures. I'll build this kit and show the progress on here, with detailing most visible areas I'll feel needs this.
The box art:
Box contents sans instruction booklet:
Building directions sample:
The sprues:
Strange tyre pattern :
On to the build, starting with cargo tray:
no wood grain detail here:
but it can be dealt with relatively easy:
and the effects of scraping the planks surface with coarse sandpaper (120-180 grit)
Completed cargo tray, fit was spot on, for the most part, and the rear gate seems to be one of the best detailed feautures of this kit:
And the glaring lack of detail on the tool boxes:
I'll cut out the lids and use some Aber PE hinges. I still cant figure how the lock detail looked, so if anyone knows some good, detailed Walkaround for this truck, I'd be very grateful for the info.
That's all folks,
Cheers
Greg
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Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 01:30 AM UTC
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Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 01:47 AM UTC
intresting thread!
this kit is on my wish-list aswell!
this kit is on my wish-list aswell!
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Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 03:03 AM UTC
Wow, thanks for sharing the images!
I also had the idea, to build one of the two kits; but that´s not sure.
Hmm, the instruction looks a bit complicated to me.
But perhaps it´s easy to understand, when one have these parts in hands.
greetings...
Soeren
I also had the idea, to build one of the two kits; but that´s not sure.
Hmm, the instruction looks a bit complicated to me.
But perhaps it´s easy to understand, when one have these parts in hands.
greetings...
Soeren
Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 03:36 AM UTC
I expect both of the Einheitsdiesels very soon at my home... Thanks for giving an insight into the kits self... The wheels do indeed look a bit strange. They remind me a bit of the wheels I have seen on some moderny Russian trucks.
And about those missing details... I actually am not worried too much about that. The trucks are not that expensive and they are easily scratched or replaced by AM.
I found out by the way that they are currently working on a Full interior for the radio version in Resin and PE... I will patiently await that release.
And about those missing details... I actually am not worried too much about that. The trucks are not that expensive and they are easily scratched or replaced by AM.
I found out by the way that they are currently working on a Full interior for the radio version in Resin and PE... I will patiently await that release.
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Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 06:46 AM UTC
Interesting subject, but poor quality. Instruction also look a bit complcated.
I can't wait your next progress pics.
I can't wait your next progress pics.
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Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 10:55 AM UTC
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Interesting subject, but poor quality. Instruction also look a bit complcated.
I can't wait your next progress pics.
Okay so it needs a little detailing. I wouldn't call it poor quality. It looks very buildable. Plus, the alternative is to have no kit of this truck at all. Suppose IBG said, "Fine! No kits for you!" and switched their business to making plastic chess pieces?
I have one on the way to me and I'm looking forward to it.
Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 11:18 AM UTC
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Quoted TextInteresting subject, but poor quality. Instruction also look a bit complcated.
I can't wait your next progress pics.
Okay so it needs a little detailing. I wouldn't call it poor quality. It looks very buildable. Plus, the alternative is to have no kit of this truck at all. Suppose IBG said, "Fine! No kits for you!" and switched their business to making plastic chess pieces?
I have one on the way to me and I'm looking forward to it.
That is exactly my feeling as well. The only alternative really before the releases of IBG are (if you can find them) the old Vacu Form kits from Schmidt... I have them both... But ordered the IBG ED's without a second thought as soon as they could be preordered. The small details that need to be scratched and even the wheels can be made more or less right with little effort. That's what modelling is all about isn't it?
The Vacu Form kits are very basic as the old Vacu forms were, so that would mean you had a lot more scratchbuilding to do to get them to look good. I for one am very happy with IBG. And the Radio truck will look super with the upcoming interior set
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Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 11:28 AM UTC
Easy, boys, there's room on both sides of this discussion, LOL!
This kit would've been perfect for a review, since we know next to nothing about the manufacturer and not much more about the vehicle.
It's no secret that if you want a complete kit, you're better off sticking with the majors like Tamiya or DML. But I also am glad to see this vehicle in styrene. The detailing looks no worse than on most Tamiya kits (which get over-lavish praise from a lot of modelers because they "fall together"), and can be easily improved--
Hinges and latches, for example, usually are leftovers from any PE offering (they understand the Carpet Monster).
This kit would've been perfect for a review, since we know next to nothing about the manufacturer and not much more about the vehicle.
It's no secret that if you want a complete kit, you're better off sticking with the majors like Tamiya or DML. But I also am glad to see this vehicle in styrene. The detailing looks no worse than on most Tamiya kits (which get over-lavish praise from a lot of modelers because they "fall together"), and can be easily improved--
Hinges and latches, for example, usually are leftovers from any PE offering (they understand the Carpet Monster).
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Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 11:46 AM UTC
I think I have to chime in with a little comment on this kit. I definitely wouldn't call it poor quality.
Some details are lacking, yes, but for the most part are realy easy to add. On the other hand the engineering is great: parts have virtually no flash and the mold parting lines are really minimal, on par or even fainter than in the latest Dragon kits. As evidenced by the instructions style this whole kit is 3D CAD engineered to boot... The upside to this is that parts really fall together. There's still more parts than in typical Tamiya offering as everything is more or less flat packed but the fit is spot on. I have built some subcomponents for the frame construction and it went like a breeze.
Instructions are also not as hard as they may look on the photo. The booklet is in A4 format, so they are a wee bigger than you see them on the screen, and while the arrows may look like a complete mess, they do point you directly where you need to go.
Cheers
Greg
Some details are lacking, yes, but for the most part are realy easy to add. On the other hand the engineering is great: parts have virtually no flash and the mold parting lines are really minimal, on par or even fainter than in the latest Dragon kits. As evidenced by the instructions style this whole kit is 3D CAD engineered to boot... The upside to this is that parts really fall together. There's still more parts than in typical Tamiya offering as everything is more or less flat packed but the fit is spot on. I have built some subcomponents for the frame construction and it went like a breeze.
Instructions are also not as hard as they may look on the photo. The booklet is in A4 format, so they are a wee bigger than you see them on the screen, and while the arrows may look like a complete mess, they do point you directly where you need to go.
Cheers
Greg
Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 10:58 PM UTC
Thanks for the heads up on the kit, gives an indication of what to expect as they move into 1/35 scale.
I am hoping they will do the Bedford QLD and a 15cwt with No 11 Cab.
This might give a bit of heart to SKP who I believe have shelved their Bedford QLD as a result of IGB plans.
Enjot the build, looks like good progress to me.
Al
I am hoping they will do the Bedford QLD and a 15cwt with No 11 Cab.
This might give a bit of heart to SKP who I believe have shelved their Bedford QLD as a result of IGB plans.
Enjot the build, looks like good progress to me.
Al
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Posted: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 - 12:40 AM UTC
So far I've cut out tool box lids, I was going to use some etched hinges anyway so with almost the same amount of effort I'll have openable tool boxes
Assembled X frame, I like the way IBG did the otherwise complicated exhaust pipe: in sections.
Completed frame:
Fitting at the the rear of the X frame with main frame beams is tricky and can require a bit of trimming, but nothing too difficult. Im at the suspension assembly right now, some deeper mold parting lines here, not dragon-like anymore, but still nothing too scary for the average modeler.
Cheers
Greg
Assembled X frame, I like the way IBG did the otherwise complicated exhaust pipe: in sections.
Completed frame:
Fitting at the the rear of the X frame with main frame beams is tricky and can require a bit of trimming, but nothing too difficult. Im at the suspension assembly right now, some deeper mold parting lines here, not dragon-like anymore, but still nothing too scary for the average modeler.
Cheers
Greg
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Posted: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 - 01:44 AM UTC
Hi
I always think the issue of wood grain and its depiction on vehicles is questionable, so I wouldn't deduct points from my personal estimation of a kit for its lack of depiction.
Most times pretty hard to see on new vehicles covered in a good coat of paint in the real world, reduce that to 1:35 scale and you are unlikely to be able to see it at all.
I'd rather it be left off as it looks a bit toy like in most examples I've seen, and leave it up to the modeller if he wants to add it. The coarse sandpaper method as shown here for example I think is an ideal technique if you wish to depict woodgrain, all be it overscale
Alan
I always think the issue of wood grain and its depiction on vehicles is questionable, so I wouldn't deduct points from my personal estimation of a kit for its lack of depiction.
Most times pretty hard to see on new vehicles covered in a good coat of paint in the real world, reduce that to 1:35 scale and you are unlikely to be able to see it at all.
I'd rather it be left off as it looks a bit toy like in most examples I've seen, and leave it up to the modeller if he wants to add it. The coarse sandpaper method as shown here for example I think is an ideal technique if you wish to depict woodgrain, all be it overscale
Alan
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Posted: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 - 01:58 AM UTC
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Quoted TextInteresting subject, but poor quality. Instruction also look a bit complcated.
I can't wait your next progress pics.
Okay so it needs a little detailing. I wouldn't call it poor quality. It looks very buildable. Plus, the alternative is to have no kit of this truck at all. Suppose IBG said, "Fine! No kits for you!" and switched their business to making plastic chess pieces?
I have one on the way to me and I'm looking forward to it.
Quoted for agreement with Matt on this score. It reminds me of whenever an Italeri kit comes up in a thread invariably we get the detractors posting about the quality of Italeri kits etc. Sure they can require a bit of that "old fashioned modelling skill" , with maybe a sink hole or a few ejector pin marks to fill, but without some of the subjects they've introduced we'd not have an example of this in plastic at all. Its only now after many years do we see even some of those subjects being reproduced by other kit manufacturers.
IBG whilst not known to many who model in larger scales I believe is well known for its range in 1:72 which has been produced for some time, so they are not new to the modelling industry, just to 1:35 scale. I hope these kits sell well and encourage IBG to produce more subjects in this scale.
Nice going on the kit so far by the way Grzegorz
Alan
Posted: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 - 02:21 AM UTC
I have to say that the more I see of the vehicle you are building Grzegorz the more I'm cursing the Postal services not to be quicker with delivering the kits from Poland.
Nice built so far. Nice solution with the storageboxes. Looking forward to it with the PE hinges. Should work perfect I think. Mold parting lines is not a problem of IBG only... you will find that with several manufacturers.
I have been studying wartime pics of Einheitsdiesels and those wheels are not that hard to fix.
@ Alan
You are right... Woodgrain is often depicted too heavy in scale... And another thing to keep in mind is that with the exception of the floor of truckbeds wooden seats and such were usually sanded and laquered. To protect the wood from the elements and to protect the soldiers from Splinters. All those actions would result in a very smooth piece of wood. Best bet for making it look woodlike is to paint it to look like wood.
Nice built so far. Nice solution with the storageboxes. Looking forward to it with the PE hinges. Should work perfect I think. Mold parting lines is not a problem of IBG only... you will find that with several manufacturers.
I have been studying wartime pics of Einheitsdiesels and those wheels are not that hard to fix.
@ Alan
You are right... Woodgrain is often depicted too heavy in scale... And another thing to keep in mind is that with the exception of the floor of truckbeds wooden seats and such were usually sanded and laquered. To protect the wood from the elements and to protect the soldiers from Splinters. All those actions would result in a very smooth piece of wood. Best bet for making it look woodlike is to paint it to look like wood.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 - 03:33 AM UTC
Talking about the strange tire pattern, maybe they have been influenced by restored trucks like this one (at least for the tire flank ):
These tires above look definitely Russian...
Frenchy
These tires above look definitely Russian...
Frenchy
Posted: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 - 03:37 AM UTC
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Talking about the strange tire pattern, maybe they have been influenced by restored trucks like this one (at least for the tire flank ):
Frenchy
Well that at least is the consensus of the experts as well. From what I heard they did not produce the tire size of the ED after the war and the surviving trucks pretty much used up all the stocks in the years after WO2. Nowadays you can get the right size tires for trucks (mostly Russian) but most of the Einheitsdiesels did not survive that long and spare parts like the original hubs are very very rare. Most of the restored ED's do not ride on the original ww2 hubs and tires
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Posted: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 - 03:50 AM UTC
At least the spare wheel appears to be a bit more accurate
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Posted: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 - 12:54 PM UTC
Hello Gents,
I see interesting discussion going on here!
Alan, thanks for the comments, fair pint on the woodgrain texture, and I too hope IBG will produce more subjects new to the plastic medium in 1:35
Robert, I also think that fixing those wheels is definitely doable, I'd even say it's quite easy, albeit tedious... You just have to fill the 'russian' recesses in the tyre sides and add something like four straight grooves to the tyre face. (this last thing will be a bit harder, not having a proper lathe but is alsoin the reach of the average modeler).
Frenchy, I saw those pictures you posted, pitty they're not sharper for smaller details modeler needs to see.
To the build pics: I got most of the suspension done, phew, no wonder Germans stopped production for being too costly
Done the engine also:
This won't be the most enjoyable part of the build :
Cheers,
Greg
I see interesting discussion going on here!
Alan, thanks for the comments, fair pint on the woodgrain texture, and I too hope IBG will produce more subjects new to the plastic medium in 1:35
Robert, I also think that fixing those wheels is definitely doable, I'd even say it's quite easy, albeit tedious... You just have to fill the 'russian' recesses in the tyre sides and add something like four straight grooves to the tyre face. (this last thing will be a bit harder, not having a proper lathe but is alsoin the reach of the average modeler).
Frenchy, I saw those pictures you posted, pitty they're not sharper for smaller details modeler needs to see.
To the build pics: I got most of the suspension done, phew, no wonder Germans stopped production for being too costly
Done the engine also:
This won't be the most enjoyable part of the build :
Cheers,
Greg
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Posted: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 - 09:17 PM UTC
I bought this kit from Mosonmagyarovar show last weekend. I can only agree with has been said so far, simple but doable . But as sombody mentioned the Schmidt vacuform Einheitsdiesel I decided to take few photos of my old, old effort from the end of 80s. Basically everything had to be schratchbuild. So here it is:
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Posted: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 - 06:55 AM UTC
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Posted: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 - 07:48 AM UTC
Thenks for sharring photos of your Shmidt kit, this realy shows how good we have it with the IBG kit. Good effort on building it though
Jaroslaw, thank you for posting this photo, very interesting!
The tyres on it indeed have identical pattern on the sides, (now I have to get the putty out of that one tyre or use it as a spare) but on the tyre face the pattern is different again with the center line being raised and not a groove as in the kit. All in all it does makes things much easier
Cheers
Greg
Jaroslaw, thank you for posting this photo, very interesting!
The tyres on it indeed have identical pattern on the sides, (now I have to get the putty out of that one tyre or use it as a spare) but on the tyre face the pattern is different again with the center line being raised and not a groove as in the kit. All in all it does makes things much easier
Cheers
Greg
Posted: Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 12:13 PM UTC
It is the first time I see tires like that on an Einheitsdiesel. But it kinda proofs the existence of similar style of tires existing in those days... Most of them I have seen so far are like these tires
Posted: Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 12:24 PM UTC
And another one which also seems to miss the holes on the side of the thread pattern
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Posted: Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 03:27 PM UTC
so does this mean there are 2 plausible tread patterns for this truck? Me, I'd carve the tread and leave the shoulder details, my two cents, there...
(then hide it with weathering, looks like a neat truck! need to weed out the stash first tho...
(then hide it with weathering, looks like a neat truck! need to weed out the stash first tho...
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Posted: Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 08:47 PM UTC