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M113A1 AVAC Vietnam
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Posted: Monday, May 03, 2010 - 09:04 AM UTC
Hi Joh,
Now that's some nice work you've done there, my friend!
Is the PE really intricate? I bet it is. I must say you've done an excellent job & I agree that it looks much better with than without.
It is something you should be very proud of.
Keep up the great work & keep those photos coming!
Good luck.
Joe.
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Posted: Monday, May 03, 2010 - 10:56 AM UTC
Thanks Joe, I try the best and some parts are really complex, but if I manage to get it well, it feels good, so where going on with the PE struggle

But maybye someone can tell me if the seatbelts really belong to this version. Eduard says that this PE set is for the Vietnam version, but it's difficult to find photo's from interiors of M113 AVAC on duty in Vietnam. So, if someone has an answer, I would be very pleased.

Grtz
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Posted: Monday, May 03, 2010 - 12:18 PM UTC

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Thanks Joe, I try the best and some parts are really complex, but if I manage to get it well, it feels good, so where going on with the PE struggle

But maybye someone can tell me if the seatbelts really belong to this version. Eduard says that this PE set is for the Vietnam version, but it's difficult to find photo's from interiors of M113 AVAC on duty in Vietnam. So, if someone has an answer, I would be very pleased.

Grtz


honestly I never knew they had seat belts! But then most of the time I rode on one it was ontop. Gotta ask a Cav guy about this one as I sure don't remember.
gary
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Posted: Monday, May 03, 2010 - 12:40 PM UTC
I was at fort hood in the winter of 73 the 113's and 203's had seat belts in them, driver, T/C and back. Don't know if that was so for Nam and I might be adding more questions than not.
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Posted: Monday, May 03, 2010 - 12:50 PM UTC
Joh,

Most interior photos I've seen of ACAVs in Vietnam showes them so stacked with gear that you wouldn't know if there were seat belts. The benches usually seem used to store ammo boxes for the MG's.

Nice build you got going.

Cheers,
/E
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Posted: Monday, May 03, 2010 - 06:37 PM UTC

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it's difficult to find photo's from interiors of M113 AVAC on duty in Vietnam. So, if someone has an answer, I would be very pleased.


I'm sure you'll find some inspiring M113 ACAV interior pics here :

http://picasaweb.google.pl/zippo132

HTH

Frenchy
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Posted: Monday, May 03, 2010 - 10:46 PM UTC
Hi Joh , Joe , Gary and mates , Joh the build is looking great . The photo etch for the drivers controls look tops .
Does anyone know if the engine supplied with Academy kit is the diesel as used in VN or the petrol donk ?
Sorry to hijack your build thread Joh , I hope you dont mind .
The Aussie M113s had twin 30 cal brownings and the Troop Commanders vehicle had a 50 cal and a 30 cal side by side .

Frenchy , youve come up with the greatest photos again .
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Posted: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 12:16 AM UTC
Just an idea I recently built the OIF version by academy and after doing so much to the interior/engine compartment I chose not to glue the hull roof and the engine compartment cover so if I show any one i can show them a detailed interior see how you go but it is possible to do.
Cheers Ben.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 12:53 AM UTC
Robert Deatherage here. Army 65-87, M113's in 68 had seat belts. but were rolled up out of the way, or cut off.
Heaters were taken out in nam. At Ft Hood and Carson you were luck if you had one. I was Mech Inf three times with M113 and we never used seat belts.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 02:30 AM UTC
Hi Rob,
That's some interesting info there. Forgive my ignorance but where would the heater be on the model & what should we put in its place? Is it a blanking plate or should it be left empty? Would we even see it at all?
Joe.

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Posted: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 03:40 AM UTC

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M113's in 68 had seat belts. but were rolled up out of the way, or cut off.


In some cases, using them would have been quite complicated anyway


Frenchy
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Posted: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 05:05 AM UTC

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Robert Deatherage here. Army 65-87, M113's in 68 had seat belts. but were rolled up out of the way, or cut off.
Heaters were taken out in nam. At Ft Hood and Carson you were luck if you had one. I was Mech Inf three times with M113 and we never used seat belts.


TOOK THE HEATERS OUT!!! Evidently some fool had never spent a December or January night up in the far northwest quadrant of Vietnam! It will reach high forties at night on the mountain tops, and you can't get warm for nothing! I was on mountain top, and they actully brought out wool long john tops (they said they didn't have the bottoms!). Half the guys either had walking pneumonia or the flue. Charles won that one when we ran outta warm healthy bodies.
And of course when it gets a nice damp chill (when the nightly fog drops by) the rats and snakes look for warm places to snuggle into. You wake up at first light and throw off that wool blanket you stole from back in the rear only to watch a rat and a snake head off into the morning sun. Kinda funny when you look back at it!
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Posted: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 11:30 AM UTC
Hello,

Thanks for all the comments, nice that you like this subject and that more people here are interested in Vietnam subjects.

@Frenchy: I know this site, I looked in all the files but I found not really a photo that's showing the whole interior of the M113.

@Brian, no problem, it's always interesting to get info and it's not importend for my who asked it.

@Ben, nice idea but I will leave most of the hatched and doors open, so I think most can be seen.

@Robert, thanks for your answer, I will leave the seatbelts and I have plans to put a some stuff inside, so not all the seatbelts will be that visible.

@Gary and Joe, I think the heather is on the rigtht site, but as you know I'm not a native English speaker, so Gary can you explain what you mean? What I understand is that the took out all the heaters and where not thinking about the fact that is even possible in Vietnam to see frost on the trees?

Thanks all, tommorow it's party time here, we celebrate the freedom and the end of WOII, so no building but soon a new update will follow.

Grtz
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Posted: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 06:23 PM UTC
That's great Joh,
You have a great time at the party! Drink lots!
Joe.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 06:51 PM UTC

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Hello,

Thanks for all the comments, nice that you like this subject and that more people here are interested in Vietnam subjects.

@Frenchy: I know this site, I looked in all the files but I found not really a photo that's showing the whole interior of the M113.

@Brian, no problem, it's always interesting to get info and it's not importend for my who asked it.

@Ben, nice idea but I will leave most of the hatched and doors open, so I think most can be seen.

@Robert, thanks for your answer, I will leave the seatbelts and I have plans to put a some stuff inside, so not all the seatbelts will be that visible.

@Gary and Joe, I think the heather is on the rigtht site, but as you know I'm not a native English speaker, so Gary can you explain what you mean? What I understand is that the took out all the heaters and where not thinking about the fact that is even possible in Vietnam to see frost on the trees?

Thanks all, tommorow it's party time here, we celebrate the freedom and the end of WOII, so no building but soon a new update will follow.

Grtz


Before shipping M113's overseas they just removed the heaters from them. But it gets kinda chilly in the higher elevations during the winter months. But even there it will hit 90 degrees in the afternoon, but when the sun goes down the temperature drops like a rock. I don't think they'd ever see it frost, but a near forty degree drop in temps is not a good thing. They also removed the GS steering box (commonly called the water steer gear box), and this might have helped them cross some of the rice paddies (there's been an on going argument for forty years over this)
gary
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Posted: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 06:53 PM UTC

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That's great Joh,
You have a great time at the party! Drink lots!
Joe.


I have a hot date with a pretty blond, so I may need oxygen in the morning!
gary
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Posted: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 08:23 PM UTC
Lucky you...& lucky her!!!
jojogy
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Posted: Monday, May 10, 2010 - 09:18 PM UTC
Hello!

Party time is over, back to business what means in my situation, time for modelling and painting.

The link from zippo is nice but I found more photo's on picassa and finally I got a lot of pictures from a fellow modeller, so I tried to make my one details in combination with the PE stuff.

What I've done is the following.
Engine.

Drivers part.

Some ventilation, althougth I don't know the real name for this part.

Inside.



It was puzzeling and a lot of extra work because my hands don't functioning that well, so it get sometimes a bit messy but that is a bit more work cleaning up the thing.

Hope you like it, next will be some paint for the interior.

Grtz
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Posted: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 12:37 AM UTC

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Quoted Text

it's difficult to find photo's from interiors of M113 AVAC on duty in Vietnam. So, if someone has an answer, I would be very pleased.


I'm sure you'll find some inspiring M113 ACAV interior pics here :

http://picasaweb.google.pl/zippo132

HTH

Frenchy


Awesome! Heaps of the pics are Australian Armour! Thanks for the link!

joegrafton
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Posted: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 05:58 AM UTC
Hi Joh,
Excellent work! I think you've done a great job there.
I'll be picking this kit up in a couple of weeks so I'm very interested in what you'll be doing.
Keep up the great work & keep those photos coming!
Joe.
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Posted: Friday, June 18, 2010 - 03:23 AM UTC
Maybe these have been posted before. Ran across them while researching my own ACAV build. Some great reference photos for diorama ideas. even some interiors.

http://www.ktroop.com/photo.htm

http://www.11thcavnam.com/Photos/main.htm
Thehumantouch
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Posted: Monday, June 21, 2010 - 02:01 AM UTC
Hi Joh

I am also building the same model with a lot of the same aftermarket products - my build also listed on this forum. Most of the images I have found of the M113's in Vietnam show the main central seating unit removed (on some the one seat even being used strapped on top by a gunner) as well as all or most of the internal seats, to make more space to house all the extra ammo/food, etc for patrols. I had already made the seats, etc so just put one in for effect anyway.

Nick
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