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Humvee, Abrams, Challenger and Bradley
patton76
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Posted: Friday, April 30, 2010 - 11:57 AM UTC
Hey Guys,

First time I did some modern armour.

Tamiya's Challenger, Humvee and Bradley and Dragon's M1A1 AIM.

I did some preshading and post shading. Some dusting, an overall burnt umber wash and a raw umber pin wash.

Is there something else I can do to improve them? If not, my next step would be a matt varnish and some pigments.

Thanks for all feedback!

Dave





































Herchealer
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Posted: Friday, April 30, 2010 - 12:40 PM UTC
I like them, they look good!! One thing though on the Humvee you have the rims on the left side swapped. Rear rim is on the front. But otherwise I like them. The Chally may be a little to light on the sand color, the ones I have seen have a slight yellow tint. But i like it none the less.

Also on the Abrams, the green stowage looks way to new, The cans have no weathering on them, but the tank has the appearance of alot of dusting. Fis that little thing and maybe a little more dust/dirt on the tracks and you are golden...
Herky
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Posted: Friday, April 30, 2010 - 02:47 PM UTC

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I like them, they look good!! One thing though on the Humvee you have the rims on the left side swapped. Rear rim is on the front. But otherwise I like them. The Chally may be a little to light on the sand color, the ones I have seen have a slight yellow tint. But i like it none the less.

Also on the Abrams, the green stowage looks way to new, The cans have no weathering on them, but the tank has the appearance of alot of dusting. Fis that little thing and maybe a little more dust/dirt on the tracks and you are golden...
Herky


Thanks for the feedback Jeremy.

The stowage, tracks and wheels haven't been wheatered yet, I just put the stowage on to give the whole a bit more color.

I was thinking of doing some sort of oil fading on them, but I'm not sure if it would be appropriate.

They all still need a flat coat, and I think I will end with some pigments.

I don't know what to do with the Challenger, maybe a slight overspray with heavily thinned dark yellow?

I'l fix the Humvee.

Paints were Vallejo Model Air, base coat in Desert sand and then over sprayed with sand.

Dave
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Posted: Friday, April 30, 2010 - 03:22 PM UTC
Very NICE.

One thing I wanna point out is that the color for your Challenger II is a little off. It's a tad bit more yellow, but it also may be a consequence of your lighting.

For future reference, you can obtain this by mixing Tamiya Desert Yellow and Deck Tan or Buff. I don't have my color swabs with me at school but in 17 days I can tell you.

Herchealer
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Posted: Friday, April 30, 2010 - 03:46 PM UTC
Oh if you havent weathered them yet, then I can see why they look out of place. Use the same approach that you did on the rest of the vehicle and it should look just fine. The ability is there, you can see it in the painting...

Herky
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 03:51 AM UTC

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I like them, they look good!! One thing though on the Humvee you have the rims on the left side swapped. Rear rim is on the front. But otherwise I like them. The Chally may be a little to light on the sand color, the ones I have seen have a slight yellow tint. But i like it none the less.


Herky


He's mistaken. The device in the hub is removable and used for vehicle self recovery. It can be placed on the front or rear hub as needed. A bar is placed in the trunnion, and a rope attached to it and another object, like a tree. As the wheel rotates, it winds the rope and hopefully pulls the truck out of the mud. It is possible to see them left on the front.

I like your build and am curious about the Bradley because I am building one for a buddy currently at Walter Reed AMC. You painted the smoke grenade caps OD green. They should be black since they are just black rubber caps.

You left some seams on the items on the Bradley I was studying, but overall, I like the build. You did a good job.
Herchealer
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 04:08 AM UTC
Very Interesting Rob. I did not know that.... Sounds like a pretty cool little concept. Would they be possibly left off a vehicle with a winch??? Does it actually work?? Looking at the pics, I don't understand how it catches to wind.. There is probably some simple way it is done, just curious.


Herky
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 05:11 AM UTC

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Very Interesting Rob. I did not know that.... Sounds like a pretty cool little concept. Would they be possibly left off a vehicle with a winch??? Does it actually work?? Looking at the pics, I don't understand how it catches to wind.. There is probably some simple way it is done, just curious.


Herky


The tube portion of the trunnion is hollow. A short bar is placed through the tube. A rope is attached and as the wheel turns, it wraps around the bar, pulling the truck out.

The trunnions are standard and come two to a truck, any truck, even one with a winch. It can be used if the winch is inoperable (which is a common occurance). Winches are rarely used and can be broken without the crew realizing it.
Herchealer
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 05:15 AM UTC
Cool, Thanks for the awesome info Rob...

Herky
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 05:27 AM UTC

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Cool, Thanks for the awesome info Rob...

Herky


They are normally mounted on the rear wheels because of the basic rule of recovery; try to extract from the same direction that you got stuck. You want to try to pull out, not push through.

This is the BDAR manual: http://www.usamma.army.mil/assets/docs/FM%209-43-2.pdf

On page 5-4 (.pdf page 123/215) you will see a diagram of how it is supposed to work.
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