Simon, I'm enjoying watching you progress thru your build. Just wonder why did you put the corrugated material horizontal to the building roof? If it runs along the hollows the water would just run into the outhouse.
The parting lines that Frank warned of have shown their ugly head, after filing and sanding I usually prime my details and figures just for this reason a good tip for the future. Pat
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Belg1960
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brynje
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Posted: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 - 01:14 PM UTC
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Simon, I'm enjoying watching you progress thru your build. Just wonder why did you put the corrugated material horizontal to the building roof? If it runs along the hollows the water would just run into the outhouse.
The parting lines that Frank warned of have shown their ugly head, after filing and sanding I usually prime my details and figures just for this reason a good tip for the future. Pat
Hey Frank. Im aware about the roof problem. My initial idea was to place the plates on top of eachother in rows.. if you understand .. so the water would run from one side of the roof to the other side and then run to the ground. However when I glued the plates on it was veeery late and I didn't really look what I was doing.. way to tired. But the plates were glued on and I didn't want to rip everything of at this point.
I tried removing some of those parting lines and filling others with putty. Didn't sand though. Gotta remeber that for next time. And im already planning on buying a new primer. I got one, but when I sprayed it, it just made everything super shiny xD This is a big trial and error process for me. Thx for the tips ^^
brynje
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Posted: Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 04:17 AM UTC
A little update. I've added some base ground / dirt to the polyfilla.I sprayed the whole dio with scenic cement (basicly thinned white glue) and sprinkled dirt (got it from my garten, works fine) all over. On top of that I sprayed scenic cement again to seal. Then I've started adding some turf and grass. This is waay from finished ofc.. This is just basic groundwork : )
Workbench atm
Workbench atm
lespauljames
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Posted: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 10:35 AM UTC
nice work, though next time be sure to paint th eground underneath any scenic produscts, a spray of tamiya earth or some cheap acrylics brown or green will be fine.
roudeleiw
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Posted: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 06:28 PM UTC
Hi Simon,
Due to holiday and so i missed your posts completely until now.
Well, you make a superbe start for a beginenr.
What i appreciate most is your willingness and your eye for details and ways to achieve them. (for example your chimney made of nail-head, hinges on WC door and heart cut in)
Fo now i have only one little remark about the build . I recognize that you probably wanted to picture an old hut with the window sill sagged down a bit. Very good, but IMO the top window sill probably started his career as wide and thick then the lower one, at least he should be as wide as the overal wide of the window.
Men, what a stash og groundwork! You will never need all this in your career if you want to improve. Seriously, more you improve, less you will need basic, tennis lawn turf and even static grass. This all looks to uniform. High amd wild grasses are way more convincing that.this stuff.
I don't know what the pot with sceic glue costs, but certainly more then straight white carpenter's glue (Pattex or so) and that one is good enough.
Like others said, if you can afford it, buy a handful of resin figures or Dragon figures with Hornet or Warriors heads, this will be fun to paint and satisfaction will be nearly guaranteed.
Go on like this, you will be good
Cheers
Claude
Due to holiday and so i missed your posts completely until now.
Well, you make a superbe start for a beginenr.
What i appreciate most is your willingness and your eye for details and ways to achieve them. (for example your chimney made of nail-head, hinges on WC door and heart cut in)
Fo now i have only one little remark about the build . I recognize that you probably wanted to picture an old hut with the window sill sagged down a bit. Very good, but IMO the top window sill probably started his career as wide and thick then the lower one, at least he should be as wide as the overal wide of the window.
Men, what a stash og groundwork! You will never need all this in your career if you want to improve. Seriously, more you improve, less you will need basic, tennis lawn turf and even static grass. This all looks to uniform. High amd wild grasses are way more convincing that.this stuff.
I don't know what the pot with sceic glue costs, but certainly more then straight white carpenter's glue (Pattex or so) and that one is good enough.
Like others said, if you can afford it, buy a handful of resin figures or Dragon figures with Hornet or Warriors heads, this will be fun to paint and satisfaction will be nearly guaranteed.
Go on like this, you will be good
Cheers
Claude
thanan
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Posted: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 07:03 PM UTC
Hi Simon, don't see you for long time. Your ground work look well keep going and await to your next step.
Prasert.
Prasert.
brynje
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Posted: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 - 06:35 AM UTC
Hi Claude
Thx for the nice words. I've checked out your stuff. It's so impressive.
You might be right about the window sill, but my overall idea about the hut was more that it was build to provide shelter when working in field.. something like that. And that it was build of what they had. Random pieces of wood maybe cut with axe and therefore uneven pieces.
Haha and you are absolutely right about my stash of groundwork. My basement is the International Bank of groundwork XD got so much. But when I wanted to start modelling I just bought alot of stuff.. so I had something to work with. Also the scenic glue stuff. I've also got normal white glue I mix with water. Learned a lot of easier and cheaper techniques now.
That brings me to my next subject (Prasert)... The reason I've been away for some time is that I've done alot of thinking. Im so unhappy with my dio. The setup/composition and size is just bad. Looks stupid. Also I've already learned so many new things and techniques so I think I could make a new one a lot better. So im actually thinking of redoing everything and not even including the hut and toilet.
I know it sounds stupid.. But its annoying to work at something that you are not happy with.
I wan't to make it smaller and more complex.
Here's some pictures of my progress with the tank though.
It's not done ofc.. neither are the figures.
And the bush stuff on the tank I just put on for the pictures : p
Thx for the nice words. I've checked out your stuff. It's so impressive.
You might be right about the window sill, but my overall idea about the hut was more that it was build to provide shelter when working in field.. something like that. And that it was build of what they had. Random pieces of wood maybe cut with axe and therefore uneven pieces.
Haha and you are absolutely right about my stash of groundwork. My basement is the International Bank of groundwork XD got so much. But when I wanted to start modelling I just bought alot of stuff.. so I had something to work with. Also the scenic glue stuff. I've also got normal white glue I mix with water. Learned a lot of easier and cheaper techniques now.
That brings me to my next subject (Prasert)... The reason I've been away for some time is that I've done alot of thinking. Im so unhappy with my dio. The setup/composition and size is just bad. Looks stupid. Also I've already learned so many new things and techniques so I think I could make a new one a lot better. So im actually thinking of redoing everything and not even including the hut and toilet.
I know it sounds stupid.. But its annoying to work at something that you are not happy with.
I wan't to make it smaller and more complex.
Here's some pictures of my progress with the tank though.
It's not done ofc.. neither are the figures.
And the bush stuff on the tank I just put on for the pictures : p
roudeleiw
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Posted: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 - 09:40 AM UTC
Then dump it!
Really no reason to spend time on something you don't like.
See it as natural step in the learning process.
Claude
Really no reason to spend time on something you don't like.
See it as natural step in the learning process.
Claude
brynje
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Posted: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 - 11:06 AM UTC
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Then dump it!
Really no reason to spend time on something you don't like.
See it as natural step in the learning process.
Claude
I will. Nice to hear a pro's thoughts
M4A2Sherman
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Posted: Thursday, August 26, 2010 - 09:44 AM UTC
Wow! This is really REALLY great work for a beginner. Fantastic work on the structures. How in the world did you whether the roof of the hut (The corrugated metal boards) so well to make them look realistically rusty?
brynje
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Posted: Thursday, August 26, 2010 - 11:43 AM UTC
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Wow! This is really REALLY great work for a beginner. Fantastic work on the structures. How in the world did you whether the roof of the hut (The corrugated metal boards) so well to make them look realistically rusty?
Thanks a lot!
For the roof I just painted it in a brownish/rusty color and then applied Vallejo Pigment set no. 1 Rust and Oil. With this technique -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGA32YSK9Uw
I fixed the pigments with terpentine instead of rubbing alcohol though : )
daffyduck
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Posted: Thursday, August 26, 2010 - 05:00 PM UTC
Simon,
If I may one small tip.....the mold lines are very obvious on the figures' heads, try to remove those.....take a plain Exacto or whatever brand knife and scrape carefully across the mold line using a fair amount of force....perpendicular (hope you understand that word?) with the knife I mean. Pretty obvious on the figures hands as well.....
I also would recommend you prime them as this shows any gaps etc.
I'm no expert but this helps a lot.
Regards, Paul
If I may one small tip.....the mold lines are very obvious on the figures' heads, try to remove those.....take a plain Exacto or whatever brand knife and scrape carefully across the mold line using a fair amount of force....perpendicular (hope you understand that word?) with the knife I mean. Pretty obvious on the figures hands as well.....
I also would recommend you prime them as this shows any gaps etc.
I'm no expert but this helps a lot.
Regards, Paul
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Posted: Friday, August 27, 2010 - 02:56 AM UTC
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Im so unhappy with my dio. The setup/composition and size is just bad. Looks stupid. Also I've already learned so many new things and techniques so I think I could make a new one a lot better. So im actually thinking of redoing everything and not even including the hut and toilet.
I know it sounds stupid.. But its annoying to work at something that you are not happy with. I wan't to make it smaller and more complex.
Quoted Text
Then dump it!
Really no reason to spend time on something you don't like.
See it as natural step in the learning process.
Its not stupid. My advise is exactly what Claude said. Dump it.
Is it a waste? No way.
Just think what youŽve learnt to get this far. Starting a new base you will have all these new techniques and ideas to carry with you, so that your next effort will be 100% better and youŽll be much happier with it.
After 9 years modelling, every new dio for me is still a progression and another step on the learning curve. Any work that is left laying for a year or so, usually gets dumped, as I have zero interest in working with something older and/or something Im not happy with. You are not the first diorama builder to do this and wont be the last. Ive dumped many bases, that Ive put a lot of work in. Never blinked an eye-lid!
I think its an important skill for a diorama builder to realise when to re-do/re-think/re-lay out or just dump and start again. It might not get the job done as quickly, but when you look at it after a few years and have no personal pride in what youŽve done, youŽll regret spending any more time, money or energy on something you are not happy with.
brynje
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Posted: Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 10:09 AM UTC
OK guys. I ditched the first dio, gave it some thought and started a new one which I will just continue in this thread. It's the same figures and tank as the first dio, but with a little different scene. Still the tank crew taking a break though. I will go into detail with the actual scene in later updates.
But here is some pics, and im almost done with the tank.
Glue still drying Will cut the "grass" later. Its too tall. Also need some cleanup and more bushes and other stuff.
The fence is not done either.
Since the last update I've washed the tank, dirtied and rusted it up with Vallejo pigments. Also working on adding some "camo" bushes and stuff. Im pretty happy withmy result with the tank when it's pretty much my first kit ever.
Edit: Btw look at the pic of the turret. How the flip do people put on decals when there is hatches and stuff where the decal is going? It's hard to make it fit. I've heard some make their own stencils and actually paint the tank number on.
I will leave it as it is on this tank though cause some bush and stowage will cover it anyway.
But here is some pics, and im almost done with the tank.
Glue still drying
Will cut the "grass" later. Its too tall. Also need some cleanup and more bushes and other stuff. The fence is not done either.
Since the last update I've washed the tank, dirtied and rusted it up with Vallejo pigments. Also working on adding some "camo" bushes and stuff. Im pretty happy withmy result with the tank when it's pretty much my first kit ever.
Edit: Btw look at the pic of the turret. How the flip do people put on decals when there is hatches and stuff where the decal is going? It's hard to make it fit. I've heard some make their own stencils and actually paint the tank number on.
I will leave it as it is on this tank though cause some bush and stowage will cover it anyway.
roudeleiw
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Posted: Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 10:23 AM UTC
Hi Simon,
I will not comment the tank as know nothing about that, but you should do something with your grass tufts.
You should really plant this grass more loose, avoid the "coming together" on the ground (sorry i have no word for that in my vocabular). Plant some in between the tufts to hide them.
Claude
I will not comment the tank as know nothing about that, but you should do something with your grass tufts.
You should really plant this grass more loose, avoid the "coming together" on the ground (sorry i have no word for that in my vocabular). Plant some in between the tufts to hide them.
Claude
Ascaria
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Posted: Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 10:34 AM UTC
Hi Simon,
I am definitely so experienced modeler as Claude, but I was few times in France, Belgium and Holland and I have never seen roof covered by wavy steel plates...
Do you have any photos ??
I am definitely so experienced modeler as Claude, but I was few times in France, Belgium and Holland and I have never seen roof covered by wavy steel plates...
Do you have any photos ??
brynje
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Posted: Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 12:09 PM UTC
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Hi Simon,
I will not comment the tank as know nothing about that, but you should do something with your grass tufts.
You should really plant this grass more loose, avoid the "coming together" on the ground (sorry i have no word for that in my vocabular). Plant some in between the tufts to hide them.
Claude
Hey Claude. I know what you mean. I still need to plant some "bush", flowers and stuff. That will hide the "comeing togehter" hehe : )
Cheers
brynje
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Posted: Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 12:11 PM UTC
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Hi Simon,
I am definitely so experienced modeler as Claude, but I was few times in France, Belgium and Holland and I have never seen roof covered by wavy steel plates...
Do you have any photos ??
Hey Wojtek. No I have no photos, only my memory. I saw a little shack like that when I visited Normandy. Was a little shack out in the field. And it was from the war.
Cheers : )
meaty_hellhound
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Posted: Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 12:23 PM UTC
hi Simon, your new paintwork on the tank is a really great improvement. looking very nicely weathered indeed. as for making numbers with a stencil, that can be a difficult task for many. the tip i can give is print the numbers out from a computer/printer then place masking tape or adhesive vinyl mask on waxed paper then over the printout numbers. then with a sharp knife cut out the numbers in the mask follow the printout as a guide. the mask will release from the waxed paper easily. you can also use very low tack placement tape (sold at sign shops for doing cut vinyl) to keep everything registered when transferring from the cutting board to the vehicle.
a lot easier is to place the decal using MicroSol to soften it down, let it dry and then cut the decal where the hatch gap is to make it appear like it is separate. hope this helps. cheers, mh.
a lot easier is to place the decal using MicroSol to soften it down, let it dry and then cut the decal where the hatch gap is to make it appear like it is separate. hope this helps. cheers, mh.
brynje
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Posted: Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 04:05 PM UTC
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hi Simon, your new paintwork on the tank is a really great improvement. looking very nicely weathered indeed. as for making numbers with a stencil, that can be a difficult task for many. the tip i can give is print the numbers out from a computer/printer then place masking tape or adhesive vinyl mask on waxed paper then over the printout numbers. then with a sharp knife cut out the numbers in the mask follow the printout as a guide. the mask will release from the waxed paper easily. you can also use very low tack placement tape (sold at sign shops for doing cut vinyl) to keep everything registered when transferring from the cutting board to the vehicle.
a lot easier is to place the decal using MicroSol to soften it down, let it dry and then cut the decal where the hatch gap is to make it appear like it is separate. hope this helps. cheers, mh.
Hey Meaty. Thanks! and yes the weathering really made the tank look alot better^^
and thanks for the decal help. I think im gonna try the MicroSol next time I buy modelling things : D
meaty_hellhound
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Posted: Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 05:26 PM UTC
hey Simon, here's some info on decal aids. Microscale Industries Micro Set is used to help adhesion of decals (especially useful on old decals that may not stick as well anymore) and Micro Sol is used to soften decals for placement on irregular surfaces (great for getting decals down over rivets and panel grooves). with the Micro Sol, once applied it is best to not touch the decal until it dries as it will be quite brittle and could fall apart.
these products are not a most-have but are very useful to own when you run into troublesome decal situations. my Micro Sol is like... twenty years old... and it still works. i think the only thing i have in my tickle trunk that's older is a 25 year old tube of Squadron Green Putty that still hasn't dried up. cheers, mh.
these products are not a most-have but are very useful to own when you run into troublesome decal situations. my Micro Sol is like... twenty years old... and it still works. i think the only thing i have in my tickle trunk that's older is a 25 year old tube of Squadron Green Putty that still hasn't dried up. cheers, mh.
brynje
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Posted: Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 02:04 AM UTC
Hellhound
Thx.. you always take time to write usefull information.
Cheers Simon
Thx.. you always take time to write usefull information.
Cheers Simon
brynje
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Posted: Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 05:09 AM UTC
Ok I assembled all the figures so you guys can see what will be going on, and so I know were the figures are going to stand so I can continue the landscaping without placing a big rock were a guy is supposed to stand : D
And the tank in the pictures is not going to be in the dio. The panther will.
This guy will be fishing in the stream.. not with razorwire though lol
Asking the locals for route. On the finished model he will hold a map.. not a piece of cloth.
These guys will be sitting around a little fire maybe cooking some soup in a helmet. Thats my idea anyway. White box represent fire lol XD
I just realised I took the pictures with one figure missing because he was fallen to the floor. But here he is.
Also on this picture you can see I gave the old man a shovel instead of a walking stick as on the box art. I wan't to show he has come from working in the field.
And the tank in the pictures is not going to be in the dio. The panther will.
This guy will be fishing in the stream.. not with razorwire though lol
Asking the locals for route. On the finished model he will hold a map.. not a piece of cloth.
These guys will be sitting around a little fire maybe cooking some soup in a helmet. Thats my idea anyway. White box represent fire lol XD
I just realised I took the pictures with one figure missing because he was fallen to the floor. But here he is.
Also on this picture you can see I gave the old man a shovel instead of a walking stick as on the box art. I wan't to show he has come from working in the field.
brynje
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Posted: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 10:39 AM UTC
Hey guys. I've been really busy, but there is some progress.
Added the muddy road, mud on the tank and begun putting on the grass along the road. I tried to put it on not so much in tufts like Claude adviced me. I think it looks pretty good. It's not done though. Will cut it shorter some places and add more plants, flowers etc.
Oh.. and I made some stowage of miliput, aluminum, wood and some leftovers : p
Added the muddy road, mud on the tank and begun putting on the grass along the road. I tried to put it on not so much in tufts like Claude adviced me. I think it looks pretty good. It's not done though. Will cut it shorter some places and add more plants, flowers etc.
Oh.. and I made some stowage of miliput, aluminum, wood and some leftovers : p
brynje
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Posted: Saturday, October 02, 2010 - 11:33 PM UTC
Hey guys. I've added some grass and plants. And started the little stream. The water is still curing..it will clear up a little more.
Also started the fire the soldiers will be gathered around.
Also started the fire the soldiers will be gathered around.
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