Yeah I've heard how abrasive the soil is there, that's why I think the rubber tracks in a lot of ways would last longer unless they're running around on a lot of broken rock.
A little off topic but I was wondering Jason if you know of any experiments with main battle tanks using rubber tracks like the Soucy ones?
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ih245dlc
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Posted: Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 08:34 AM UTC
LeoCmdr
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Yeah I've heard how abrasive the soil is there, that's why I think the rubber tracks in a lot of ways would last longer unless they're running around on a lot of broken rock.
A little off topic but I was wondering Jason if you know of any experiments with main battle tanks using rubber tracks like the Soucy ones?
The Soucy tracks are an adaptation of civilian tracks used for a variety of tracked work vehicles. I don't think they would ever last on a main battle tank. The closest thing that I can think of would be the composite tracks on the German Weisel or the band tracks used on the old Ontos.
ih245dlc
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Posted: Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 09:43 AM UTC
Ok thanks, I was wondering as I'm a heavy equipment operator by trade and there are more and more tracked vehicles these days that have the option of rubber tracks, one of the best examples I know of are skid-steer loaders or as they are now known as compact track loaders (ctl's). And recently a friend of mine put an order in for a John Deere high speed dozer (HSD) for building and maintaining ice/snow roads on the eastern slopes of the rockies. The undercarriage on the dozer are built by the company that makes the soucy tracks for the MTVL's and or M-113's.
Trackjam
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stephane
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Posted: Monday, September 06, 2010 - 07:25 AM UTC
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Check out my build article.....
http://shop.afvmodeller.com/customer/product.php?productid=17435&cat=&page=1
Many thanks Jason, i have the issue of the mag and will use it for sure.
Stéphane
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Posted: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 - 04:25 AM UTC
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Can't wait for the M113 TLAV DVD, I managed to pickup an extra set of tracks and drive sprokets from the Real Model TLAV conversion and would really like to build a Queen Mary as used in Afghanistan.
Regards,
Rod
Shouldn't that be Best Value models?
Yup, BVM....BVM had planned to released the Soucy tracks and sprockets as an upgrade set but I guessed they changed their mind.
Sorry Guys, yes the conversion is BVM not Real Models, but it would be cool if Real Models did one with slat armour.
GaryGore
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Posted: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 - 10:07 AM UTC
Back in December 2009 he said he was going to do a TLAV, so I emailed him a few days ago to see if he was still going to do one for 2010. I haven't heard back yet.
I'm hoping he does as I would rather purchase from him instead.
I'm hoping he does as I would rather purchase from him instead.
recceboy
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Posted: Friday, September 10, 2010 - 03:19 AM UTC
TLAV Facts:
The total number of vehicles to be produced is currently set at 254, broken down into 8 variants as follows:
25 MTVL with 1metre Turret, 5 road wheels
28 MTVE with dozer blade, 6 road wheels
36 MTVF Fitter, 6 road wheels
23 MTVL Recovery, 6 road wheels
52 M113A3 Turret ,5 road wheels,
40 M113A3 RWS, 5 road wheels
17 M113A3 MRT , 6 road wheels
33 M577A3 CP. 5 road wheels
But , have seen a mixture of wheel combinations on some of the 5 road wheeled type. This is 2008 info on these types from 202 WS.
Anthony
The total number of vehicles to be produced is currently set at 254, broken down into 8 variants as follows:
25 MTVL with 1metre Turret, 5 road wheels
28 MTVE with dozer blade, 6 road wheels
36 MTVF Fitter, 6 road wheels
23 MTVL Recovery, 6 road wheels
52 M113A3 Turret ,5 road wheels,
40 M113A3 RWS, 5 road wheels
17 M113A3 MRT , 6 road wheels
33 M577A3 CP. 5 road wheels
But , have seen a mixture of wheel combinations on some of the 5 road wheeled type. This is 2008 info on these types from 202 WS.
Anthony
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Posted: Friday, September 10, 2010 - 04:34 AM UTC
That seems to muddy the waters, even BAE calls the six wheel variants MTV's. http://www.uniteddefense.com/www.m113.com/mtvll.html , while the TLAV can be considered part of the M113A3 series. I still say 5 road wheels = M113A3/TLAV, six = MTV series.
The DND site lists nine variants:
http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/land-terre/equipment-equipement/item-eng.asp?product=58
I'm just sayin'...
Jim
The DND site lists nine variants:
http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/land-terre/equipment-equipement/item-eng.asp?product=58
I'm just sayin'...
Jim
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Posted: Friday, September 10, 2010 - 10:16 AM UTC
Does anyone have some good photo's of the remote weapons station? Will the AFV Club update kit work if I switch the gun?
Regards,
Rod
Regards,
Rod
PiperDan
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PM inbound ...
LeoCmdr
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Does anyone have some good photo's of the remote weapons station? Will the AFV Club update kit work if I switch the gun?
Regards,
Rod
The RWS on the TLAVs and MTVs is very different than the M151 on the Stryker.
JKLeClair
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Posted: Friday, September 10, 2010 - 01:55 PM UTC
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Does anyone have some good photo's of the remote weapons station? Will the AFV Club update kit work if I switch the gun?
Regards,
Rod
The DVD on the M113/TLAV Family has lots of photos of the RWS. Should be ready this weekend
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Posted: Saturday, September 11, 2010 - 04:22 AM UTC
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That seems to muddy the waters, even BAE calls the six wheel variants MTV's.
Jim
Too add to that Jim, DLR 3-6, the office in charge of the project, calls it the "MTV Project". I can confirm on Monday, but I think Anthony's designations of the individual vehicles is the 'most correct', if not the most common.
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Posted: Thursday, September 16, 2010 - 09:13 AM UTC
At the risk of repeating some info, DLR classifies the vehicle family as TLAV Fleet (not MTV as I just posted)
The TLAV Fleet summary is as follows (qty left off for OPSEC). Note that no vehicle is actually referred to as a TLAV.
M113A2 ADATS
M113A2 ISC (ADATS Trg)
M113 ILDS PV
M113A3 Turret
M113A3 RWS
M113A3 MRT
M577A3
MTVL Turret
MTVL RWS
MTV Engineer (MTVE)
MTV Fitter (MTVF)
MTV Recovery (MTVR)
Future MTV "may" include
-Additional MTV Engineer
-Ambulance Variant
-120mm Mortar Variant
These future versions would be made by upgrading / changing the existing fleet. It will not be done at the expense of the major FLCV projects (TAPV, CCV, Tank Replacemnet, Mobility Enhancement, C-IED, LRPS etc etc)
The TLAV Fleet summary is as follows (qty left off for OPSEC). Note that no vehicle is actually referred to as a TLAV.
M113A2 ADATS
M113A2 ISC (ADATS Trg)
M113 ILDS PV
M113A3 Turret
M113A3 RWS
M113A3 MRT
M577A3
MTVL Turret
MTVL RWS
MTV Engineer (MTVE)
MTV Fitter (MTVF)
MTV Recovery (MTVR)
Future MTV "may" include
-Additional MTV Engineer
-Ambulance Variant
-120mm Mortar Variant
These future versions would be made by upgrading / changing the existing fleet. It will not be done at the expense of the major FLCV projects (TAPV, CCV, Tank Replacemnet, Mobility Enhancement, C-IED, LRPS etc etc)
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"So it is written, So shall it be done".....Yul Brynner, 1956, The Ten Commandments.
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