Canadian TLAV Designations
British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Friday, September 03, 2010 - 08:26 AM UTC
Hello Everyone,
looking to confirm some designations for the next DVD. Canadian M113 FOVs have been modernized and are now designated as Tracked Light Armoured Vehicles, is this correct?
Is this photo of a TLAV with Remote Weapon System (RWS)??
Is his photo of a TLAV with DLRS Turret??
What is the M577 designated as now? Has TLAV suspension.
Is this photo of a TLAV Mobile Tactical Vehicle Light (MTVL) with DLRS Turret??
And what type of tracks are these and are they availiable in a kit?
I do know this is a TLAV Mobile Tactical Vehicle Fitter (MTVF)
Now, what are the next 2 vehicles designated as? I know they work in conjunction with each other.
And finally, are there and of the TLAV Mobile Tactical Vehicle Engineer (MTVE) with turret being used in Afghanistan??
Soldiers volunteer to go in places and fight, like in Afghanistan, because somebody has to do it, and as soldiers, thats just what we do.
Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Friday, September 03, 2010 - 09:10 AM UTC
Hi Ken
TLAV series =5 road wheels
MTV series = 6 road wheels
So it would be a TLAV or a MTV, not both.
I think the M577 is just the M577A3, still called a 'Queen Mary'.
Jim
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British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Friday, September 03, 2010 - 09:15 AM UTC
Thanks Jim,
appreciate the information. I had an idea that the 6 wheeled version was not a TLAV, but had to be sure.
Again Thanks, members like yourself make this site valuable
Soldiers volunteer to go in places and fight, like in Afghanistan, because somebody has to do it, and as soldiers, thats just what we do.
Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Friday, September 03, 2010 - 11:16 AM UTC
Hey Ken,
Can't wait for the M113 TLAV DVD, I managed to pickup an extra set of tracks and drive sprokets from the Real Model TLAV conversion and would really like to build a Queen Mary as used in Afghanistan.
Regards,
Rod
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British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Friday, September 03, 2010 - 11:22 AM UTC
Real Model TLAV Conversion, hmmm, guess I'll have to check that out.
Soldiers volunteer to go in places and fight, like in Afghanistan, because somebody has to do it, and as soldiers, thats just what we do.
Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Friday, September 03, 2010 - 12:32 PM UTC
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Hey Ken,
Can't wait for the M113 TLAV DVD, I managed to pickup an extra set of tracks and drive sprokets from the Real Model TLAV conversion and would really like to build a Queen Mary as used in Afghanistan.
Regards,
Rod
Shouldn't that be Best Value models?
Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Friday, September 03, 2010 - 02:12 PM UTC
The tracks kind of look like the Diehl 513B tracks, but I'm not an expert on this.
Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Friday, September 03, 2010 - 03:23 PM UTC
The turret is simply called a "One Metre Turret".
Photo 1- M113A3 TLAV w/ RWS
Photo 2- M113A3 TLAV w/ One Metre Turret
Photo 3- M577A3
Photo 4- M113A3 MTVL w/ One Metre Turret
I don't think any of the M113A3 MTVEs have the One Metre Turret.....just the RWS.
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British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Friday, September 03, 2010 - 03:41 PM UTC
Thanks Jason,
are there any MTVEs with the RWS in the sandbox?? Any idea if those tracks are in a kit form??
Soldiers volunteer to go in places and fight, like in Afghanistan, because somebody has to do it, and as soldiers, thats just what we do.
Hauts-de-Seine, France
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Posted: Friday, September 03, 2010 - 09:46 PM UTC
Hi
from memory the tracks are the same on some dutch , german and danish M113's derivated (like AIFV).
AFV club has a really nice set but the tracks have duckbill extensions to be removed!
The first tracks are in the TLAV complete kit (Italeri M113+resin) done by BVM which is a brand of Azimut Productions. Sadly i don't think they sells the tracks+sprockets alone.
It's fantastic to have referencies on these subjects, Canadian's forces have really great looking vehicules.
One question :
TLAV with one metre turret was in Astan without slat , i am correct?
Stéphane
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Posted: Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 03:33 AM UTC
There's also a couple TLAV Amb (ad hoc variants) in theatre. There are plans to refit some MTV to dedicated Ambulance configuration.
I've got a slide deck at work with all the official designations. I'm away from the office for a week, but I can check it against what's been already stated here and let you know what the good idea fairy has planned for the fleet.
Why plan when you can react?
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Posted: Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 07:12 AM UTC
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Posted: Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 07:28 AM UTC
What great photos..... Thanks for sharing.
Chris
British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 07:46 AM UTC
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Hi
from memory the tracks are the same on some dutch , german and danish M113's derivated (like AIFV).
AFV club has a really nice set but the tracks have duckbill extensions to be removed!
The first tracks are in the TLAV complete kit (Italeri M113+resin) done by BVM which is a brand of Azimut Productions. Sadly i don't think they sells the tracks+sprockets alone.
It's fantastic to have referencies on these subjects, Canadian's forces have really great looking vehicules.
One question :
TLAV with one metre turret was in Astan without slat , i am correct?
Stéphane
Hi Stephane,
from what I saw during my tour, only the hull had the slat armour, not the turrets. The slat armour actually seems to be a combination of bar and slats.
Soldiers volunteer to go in places and fight, like in Afghanistan, because somebody has to do it, and as soldiers, thats just what we do.
Hauts-de-Seine, France
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Posted: Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 09:03 PM UTC
Thanks Ken
I still hopes that i 'll find pic of this versions without slat in Astan (maybe at the early area of canadian deployment), scratchbuild the birdcage is boring and too much time consumming.
regards
Stéphane
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Posted: Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 11:05 PM UTC
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I still hopes that i 'll find pic of this versions without slat in Astan (maybe at the early area of canadian deployment), scratchbuild the birdcage is boring and too much time consumming.
"
15 May 2007
Kandahar, Afghanistan
A Tracked LAV (TLAV) manoeuvres into position at Forward Operating Base Ghundi Gar. Having arrived as an escort for a resupply convoy the TLAV now takes up position as part of the Hotel Company Combat Team of the 2nd Battalion Royal Canadian Regiment Battle Group, currently in this location as part of OP HADRIAN. "
HTH
Frenchy
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Posted: Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 03:07 AM UTC
The tracks are Diehl 513B and they are
available from Perfect Scale Modellbau.
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Posted: Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 03:54 AM UTC
Simply perfect frenchy as usual just what i was looking for!
thanks a ton
Salutations
Stéphane
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Posted: Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 05:21 AM UTC
I'm curious as to why some vehicles still have steel tracks instead of the new rubber ones?
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Posted: Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 05:33 AM UTC
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I'm curious as to why some vehicles still have steel tracks instead of the new rubber ones?
maby because the rubber pads wear to fast down in afghanistan
our Dutch YPR's just drive around with tracks where the pads completely worn away. we also didn't get any new ones until the track was completly broken.
they wear much faster over there than anywhere else
Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 07:14 AM UTC
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Thanks Ken
I still hopes that i 'll find pic of this versions without slat in Astan (maybe at the early area of canadian deployment), scratchbuild the birdcage is boring and too much time consumming.
regards
Stéphane
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Posted: Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 07:19 AM UTC
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I'm curious as to why some vehicles still have steel tracks instead of the new rubber ones?
Because some vehicles probably never leave KAF or the FOBs so they aren't riding cross country for extended periods of time....no need to upgrade vehicles that are base bound.
The Soucy track upgrade may also be limited to the TLAV series and not the MTV series....I can't remember seeing MTV series vehicles with the Soucy upgrade.
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Posted: Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 07:21 AM UTC
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are there any MTVEs with the RWS in the sandbox??
Yes there are...not sure how many but they are there.
"We're not the public service of Canada, we're not just another department. We are the Canadian Forces, and our job is to be able to kill people."
July 2005- General R.J. Hillier (Retired), Former Chief of the Defence Staff
Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 07:22 AM UTC
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Hey Ken,
Can't wait for the M113 TLAV DVD, I managed to pickup an extra set of tracks and drive sprokets from the Real Model TLAV conversion and would really like to build a Queen Mary as used in Afghanistan.
Regards,
Rod
Shouldn't that be Best Value models?
Yup, BVM....BVM had planned to released the Soucy tracks and sprockets as an upgrade set but I guessed they changed their mind.
"We're not the public service of Canada, we're not just another department. We are the Canadian Forces, and our job is to be able to kill people."
July 2005- General R.J. Hillier (Retired), Former Chief of the Defence Staff
British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 07:32 AM UTC
Thanks everyone for the input. Like I always say, this is what makes this site so valuable to the armour modellers and enthusiasts.
As for photos 7 & 8, has anyone seen or know the designations of these vehicles? It appears to be a TLAV with mine rollers or something and a M577A3, but I think these versions are designed to work together.
Soldiers volunteer to go in places and fight, like in Afghanistan, because somebody has to do it, and as soldiers, thats just what we do.
