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Voroshilovets Tractor from Trumpeter
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Posted: Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 03:46 AM UTC

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Nice job on the tractor Bill! Looks like it went together pretty quickly?

Thanks, Jeremy.

Yes, it went together very well. The areas of concern building it are:

Tracks: they clean up well, but I recommend not putting on the cargo bed until after it's painted and the tracks are installed.

The bogeys: the four cast bogeys fit on the kit with tiny styrene pins, and in one case, broke off after gluing. I reinforced it with a brass rod, but that one (the right front) doesn't sit "flush" and the tracks have a small opening underneath (points off in both IPMS and AMPS judging).

The windows and windshield: make sure you paint the lip of the windows, otherwise if you glue them in and then mask for painting, you'll have unpainted portions showing.

Other than that, fit was very good, and Trumpeter has really shown improvement on its casting-- not so many knock-out plugs in places that show.
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Posted: Friday, October 08, 2010 - 06:50 AM UTC
Great result of the build and the effects!
Perhaps I also should build a tracked vehicle and / or using some of your techniques.

greetings...
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Posted: Sunday, October 10, 2010 - 03:57 AM UTC
Really cool effects on the wood areas, looks real.

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Posted: Monday, October 11, 2010 - 03:48 AM UTC
Soeren, thanks for the compliments. Generally I prefer using metal tracks, but these came out well enough.

Rob, thanks for the kind words. Making realistic wood is a lot easier than I thought it would be. I thank folks like Terri on Aeroscale for teaching me how to do wood on styrene.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 - 08:52 PM UTC
I have this Voroshilovets tractor and the B-4 90% finished. However, I need to know if the return rollers have rubber tires on them. In some pictures on the web they appear to be just metal rimmed and in other pictures where they are in shadow appear to maybe have rubber tires. Anybody know for sure?

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Posted: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 - 10:21 PM UTC

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I need to know if the return rollers have rubber tires on them. In some pictures on the web they appear to be just metal rimmed and in other pictures where they are in shadow appear to maybe have rubber tires. Anybody know for sure?


I'm 99 % sure they have rubber tires :


Full-size picture





but maybe some temporary rubber shortage would explain the metal rimmed ones (if any...)

HTH

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Posted: Thursday, October 14, 2010 - 07:50 AM UTC

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In some pictures on the web they appear to be just metal rimmed and in other pictures where they are in shadow appear to maybe have rubber tires

Ray, I think Frenchy has answered your question, but remember the Soviets drove their stuff into the ground, so it's possible the return rollers lost the rubber rim over time and the crews just soldiered on.
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Posted: Friday, October 15, 2010 - 07:31 AM UTC

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The wooden load bed's grain is waaaay out of scale, and the diligent will consider filling it in and then using paint (oil streaked on top of acrylic) to correct, but I have let the paint do the filling-in:


I don't know about that, a lot of the planking on Soviet vehicles was pretty roughly cut, and weather would do the rest. You did a wonderful job of weathering, and the model looks quite good.

Yes, definitely want this kit for my B-4
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Posted: Friday, October 15, 2010 - 11:23 AM UTC
Thank you, I appreciate the praise.
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Posted: Saturday, October 16, 2010 - 05:57 AM UTC
Thanks Frenchy. That answers my question. However, in the images you sent it appears that the idler wheel also has a rubber tire?? Also the interior of the cab looks like it is mostly black? I think the seats look too stiff in this kit and will probably wrinkle mine up some.

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Posted: Saturday, October 16, 2010 - 10:48 PM UTC
You're welcome Ray. I think you're right about the rubber tire on the idler wheel. Regarding the interior color, I would make an educated guess and say that it was the same as the exterior color, using similar soviet truck cab pics like these :
http://walkarounds.airforce.ru/auto/rus/zis-5/index.htm
http://svsm.org/gallery/ZiS-5V

HTH

Frenchy
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Posted: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 06:02 AM UTC
Bill , you where wondering about the locations on the back of the cab. I was wondering if the two outside were not white lamps for working at the back of the tractor perhaps for hooking up the gun. The middle one I assume to be a red lamp.
I do like the way you presented the wood box. I agree that the soviet lumber would be rough sawed. If you ever saw lumber cut at an outside mill, the planks and boards come off the saw with a very coarse grain, much like given in the kit. To smooth the lumber, it would go through a planer mill to give a surface much like found at Home depot for example. Thus I believe that the kit gives a rather realistic surface.
I have been working on my kit of the tractor and I hope you don't mind if I give your wood surfacing a try.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 09:23 AM UTC
Cedric, thanks for the comments, they are very helpful. I agree that two lenses seem to me to be lights for aiding in working on whatever is in the back of the tractor (loading the howitzer, loading/unloading ammunition, etc.).

Please feel free to use my technique for wood "finishing." Several folks have taught it to me and I welcome the chance to "pass it on."
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Posted: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 09:53 AM UTC
Nice job Bill. Those are definitely lights. I have the 203mm cannon at home, but not this tractor yet... sooner or later I am going to have to get it..

I agree with an earlier reply about the wood. I have seen sleepers from railway lines looking as rough as these planks. Rip saws make rough cuts and as the Russians would not have been too concerned with longevity due to high losses and little to no maintenance I doubt they would have expended any effort to clean the planks up. Also remember that the Russian weather would have ensured the planks weathered very fast.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 01:01 PM UTC
A thought. If they were lights there would be a large reflector bowl jutting into the cab area.The Russians didn't have LEDs at that time. They are just openings, for talking to men in the back
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Posted: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 03:18 AM UTC

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A thought. If they were lights there would be a large reflector bowl jutting into the cab area.The Russians didn't have LEDs at that time. They are just openings, for talking to men in the back

You can't make assumptions about the lack of bowls in the cab, whose detail is very basic. They aren't portholes, either, because they don't go all the way through the wall. They may not be lights, but they're something.
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