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Posted: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 01:27 PM UTC
Actually, the M114 still lives!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu9WqykqQVA&feature=related
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Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 06:41 AM UTC

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I was in the 11th ACR also. I trained at Knox in 1980 and went to Germany.

The M114 was fun to drive, they had small block Chevy engines and were fast and maneuverable. They were a great vehicle to drive some of the old timers told me. BUT they were terrible in combat(gas engine NOT good). The Army DID use them early in Nam and recalled them quickly, ARVN also used them and did not like them, all M114s were replaced in front line units with M113s. NOBODY liked them in combat, everybody loved them to just drive around in.

So you probably had working vehicles all around the states(Army, Army reserve and NG units) and Nam for years just not in combat. I never saw a working one, only museum pieces.



here's one for the M114 masses that probably will make their noggin's explode! The drive train test for them used a Chevy 409 engine! There were even some on the test track that used a 409 engine (I've only seen pics of this power pack), but what went into the production version I don't know. But back in the mid 1970's we had 409 engines stashed all over the place.
gary
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Posted: Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 04:38 PM UTC
Hi,
I can't speak to seeing any M-114s in Vietnam, but when I served with the 14th AC in Fulda Germany in 1965, they were used as recon vehicles. They had a 283cid small block Chevy industrial engine w/ waterproofed ignitions that had a lot of power for that small & light a vehicle. Lots of fun to drive, I can attest to that.

After the war, a small number were obtained by the AEC for use at Hanaford Washington as guard vehicles at the nuclear waste storage sites. Several of those made it to Anderson Indiana with the Historical Military Museum ( I believe that is the correct title) There was a stink about the vehicles being radioactive after that service, but eventually that got scotched and one was restored and displayed there.

The owner of the museum is a friend of mine and related this info to me when I wanted to buy one of them during his legal battles to keep them. Once they were cleared as far as titles were concerned I was quickly outbid by bigger money. #^&^%$%^*.

Last winter I took a Marine friend from Fort Wayne to visit the museum before many of the vehicles were due to be shipped to Florida to a new museum. The curator took him for a ride in his M-114 that is under restoration. One happy Marine I can tell you!

In the early '90s while serving with a Cav unit with the INARNG from Bluffton IN. there was a single M-114 parked next to the road leading to the range from the main base area. When I asked the Motor Pool personell I was told it was the base commanders deer hunting vehicle (????), which sounded like Bravo Sierra to me, but who knows. I believe it was probably for the mini-museum that is outside the main gates these days.

Ocassionaly one shows up for sale in the MV Mag or the Supply Line by the MVPA but are in the rich guy category. Still a neat toy tho.......

Jake
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Posted: Friday, November 19, 2010 - 08:08 AM UTC

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Hi,
I can't speak to seeing any M-114s in Vietnam, but when I served with the 14th AC in Fulda Germany in 1965, they were used as recon vehicles. They had a 283cid small block Chevy industrial engine w/ waterproofed ignitions that had a lot of power for that small & light a vehicle. Lots of fun to drive, I can attest to that.

After the war, a small number were obtained by the AEC for use at Hanaford Washington as guard vehicles at the nuclear waste storage sites. Several of those made it to Anderson Indiana with the Historical Military Museum ( I believe that is the correct title) There was a stink about the vehicles being radioactive after that service, but eventually that got scotched and one was restored and displayed there.

The owner of the museum is a friend of mine and related this info to me when I wanted to buy one of them during his legal battles to keep them. Once they were cleared as far as titles were concerned I was quickly outbid by bigger money. #^&^%$%^*.

Last winter I took a Marine friend from Fort Wayne to visit the museum before many of the vehicles were due to be shipped to Florida to a new museum. The curator took him for a ride in his M-114 that is under restoration. One happy Marine I can tell you!

In the early '90s while serving with a Cav unit with the INARNG from Bluffton IN. there was a single M-114 parked next to the road leading to the range from the main base area. When I asked the Motor Pool personell I was told it was the base commanders deer hunting vehicle (????), which sounded like Bravo Sierra to me, but who knows. I believe it was probably for the mini-museum that is outside the main gates these days.

Ocassionaly one shows up for sale in the MV Mag or the Supply Line by the MVPA but are in the rich guy category. Still a neat toy tho.......

Jake



are you refering to Atteberry? If so the M114 has not showed up as of six weeks ago. But your base commander comments ring true as there has been a steady procession of pin heads down there. As for the case commander doing his deer hunting out of an M114; probably true.
gary
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Posted: Friday, November 19, 2010 - 07:42 PM UTC

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Hi,
I can't speak to seeing any M-114s in Vietnam, but when I served with the 14th AC in Fulda Germany in 1965, they were used as recon vehicles. They had a 283cid small block Chevy industrial engine w/ waterproofed ignitions that had a lot of power for that small & light a vehicle. Lots of fun to drive, I can attest to that.

After the war, a small number were obtained by the AEC for use at Hanaford Washington as guard vehicles at the nuclear waste storage sites. Several of those made it to Anderson Indiana with the Historical Military Museum ( I believe that is the correct title) There was a stink about the vehicles being radioactive after that service, but eventually that got scotched and one was restored and displayed there.

The owner of the museum is a friend of mine and related this info to me when I wanted to buy one of them during his legal battles to keep them. Once they were cleared as far as titles were concerned I was quickly outbid by bigger money. #^&^%$%^*.

Last winter I took a Marine friend from Fort Wayne to visit the museum before many of the vehicles were due to be shipped to Florida to a new museum. The curator took him for a ride in his M-114 that is under restoration. One happy Marine I can tell you!

In the early '90s while serving with a Cav unit with the INARNG from Bluffton IN. there was a single M-114 parked next to the road leading to the range from the main base area. When I asked the Motor Pool personell I was told it was the base commanders deer hunting vehicle (????), which sounded like Bravo Sierra to me, but who knows. I believe it was probably for the mini-museum that is outside the main gates these days.

Ocassionaly one shows up for sale in the MV Mag or the Supply Line by the MVPA but are in the rich guy category. Still a neat toy tho.......

Jake



are you refering to Atteberry? If so the M114 has not showed up as of six weeks ago. But your base commander comments ring true as there has been a steady procession of pin heads down there. As for the case commander doing his deer hunting out of an M114; probably true.
gary



Hi,
Yes I was referring to Camp Atterbury, should have been clearer. I have no real good memories there, either Army Guard or Air Guard. We always seemed to treated like crap by cadre. It was decided in the Air Guard that we would go to Camp Custer in Michigan where we were well treated in every instance,especially at the ranges. Plus Battlecreek is more military friendly than Edinburgh.

I haven't been to Atterbury for at least 5 years, last when I stopped after Knob Creek returning north from KY. There was a decent collection of vehicles, even an Honest John and I probably incorrectly assumed that the M-114 would end up in the group out front. Silly me. Of course now I'm retired I have no reason to visit the place.
I'll try to find some pics I took while there back in the day.

Jake
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Posted: Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 07:35 AM UTC

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Hi,
I can't speak to seeing any M-114s in Vietnam, but when I served with the 14th AC in Fulda Germany in 1965, they were used as recon vehicles. They had a 283cid small block Chevy industrial engine w/ waterproofed ignitions that had a lot of power for that small & light a vehicle. Lots of fun to drive, I can attest to that.

After the war, a small number were obtained by the AEC for use at Hanaford Washington as guard vehicles at the nuclear waste storage sites. Several of those made it to Anderson Indiana with the Historical Military Museum ( I believe that is the correct title) There was a stink about the vehicles being radioactive after that service, but eventually that got scotched and one was restored and displayed there.

The owner of the museum is a friend of mine and related this info to me when I wanted to buy one of them during his legal battles to keep them. Once they were cleared as far as titles were concerned I was quickly outbid by bigger money. #^&^%$%^*.

Last winter I took a Marine friend from Fort Wayne to visit the museum before many of the vehicles were due to be shipped to Florida to a new museum. The curator took him for a ride in his M-114 that is under restoration. One happy Marine I can tell you!

In the early '90s while serving with a Cav unit with the INARNG from Bluffton IN. there was a single M-114 parked next to the road leading to the range from the main base area. When I asked the Motor Pool personell I was told it was the base commanders deer hunting vehicle (????), which sounded like Bravo Sierra to me, but who knows. I believe it was probably for the mini-museum that is outside the main gates these days.

Ocassionaly one shows up for sale in the MV Mag or the Supply Line by the MVPA but are in the rich guy category. Still a neat toy tho.......

Jake



are you refering to Atteberry? If so the M114 has not showed up as of six weeks ago. But your base commander comments ring true as there has been a steady procession of pin heads down there. As for the case commander doing his deer hunting out of an M114; probably true.
gary



Hi,
Yes I was referring to Camp Atterbury, should have been clearer. I have no real good memories there, either Army Guard or Air Guard. We always seemed to treated like crap by cadre. It was decided in the Air Guard that we would go to Camp Custer in Michigan where we were well treated in every instance,especially at the ranges. Plus Battlecreek is more military friendly than Edinburgh.

I haven't been to Atterbury for at least 5 years, last when I stopped after Knob Creek returning north from KY. There was a decent collection of vehicles, even an Honest John and I probably incorrectly assumed that the M-114 would end up in the group out front. Silly me. Of course now I'm retired I have no reason to visit the place.
I'll try to find some pics I took while there back in the day.

Jake



I knew when you spoke of the base commander using the M114 for a hunting vehicle, that it had to be that idiot. The guy before him was just as bad, but the one before him was better. He was the guy who had his girl friends meet him at the little house over looking Sugar Creek in Army property; till his old lady caught him in the act!
Now "not my man mitch" has been conned into trading 1200 acres of land on the northside for several thousand acres that no one can get to in the western half of the state. In that 1200 acres is that rifle range that is another boondoggle in itself. We spent $3 million on the place and it could have easilly been built for a half million at the most! Guess where it sets? Right on the east side of that 1200 acres. Latest news is the base commander wants it locked up for military use only (I knew something was wrong when the NRA started running the place).
That place needs to be closed, and moved down to Crane or better yet Ft. Knox. They are moving all the armor out of Knox so there's plenty of room down there, and the move would save hundreds of millions in the long term future. Most all the units down there are from Michigan and Ohio, and even that dosn't make much sense
gary
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Posted: Saturday, December 04, 2010 - 03:34 AM UTC
As an aside, M-114's were still being used in El Salvador back in the mid-80's.

Ron
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Posted: Saturday, December 04, 2010 - 05:29 AM UTC

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As an aside, M-114's were still being used in El Salvador back in the mid-80's.

Ron


The chassis were, but the vehicles were radically modified. They had been modified as logging tractors before they were purchased and had to be modified back to a military configuration. There were a number of subvariants.
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