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Polish T-55 ***wip***
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Posted: Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 04:48 AM UTC
Ciro
A payr of questions
Will you make a diorama whit serbian tank crew miniatures?
I'd like to know if the serbian tanker at the beginning of the balcan war (june 1991, Slovenian war) worn the same uniform that soviet tankman had in that period.

Another question
I noticed that you mounted 4 hooks on the turret. Maybe i'm wrong, but i knew that the t55 turret hooks were 3.

How did you fix the spare track link on the fenders? I'd like to see the detail, if you can

Thanks a lot in advance

cheers
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Posted: Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 05:41 AM UTC
Thank you fellows for comments!

Mauro,
tow hooks,they depend from the production,Russian t-54/55 and related upgrade have 3 lift(tow) hooks around turret.Czech,Polish,NVA and others have generally 4 lift(tow) hooks.This is one of the features that are typical for a polish production 55.

About uniform....I've some osprey book,I need to get them and maybe I'll have an answer for you.

I don't know about a dio....I've very bad feeling with figures unfortunately :-(
Hope that the details help you.



It's a simple a steel tube in which joints secure the extra tracks.
It's easy to replicate.I've used aber PE but there are other ways to fix the thing.You need to check references.If you don't find enough let me know ;-)
Mauro,please send me(if you want)your email address via PM.

Ciro
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Posted: Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 05:49 AM UTC
Nice to see your passionfor the T-55 continuing Ciro....you get some hold down brackets for the track links on the fenders in the Modelkasten track set. Will you be adding detail to the idler mounts?..

Andy
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Posted: Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 05:57 AM UTC
Thanks a lot Ciro
I'm sending you my mail adress
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Posted: Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 06:03 AM UTC
Hey hey Andy,my Guru!;-)
Ilder mounts....yes,I'll try to correct them,I'm waiting rossagraph vol.1 that is a walkaround of the polish t-55 hull.(or at least I hope)
I've modeled this one following this and comparing it with WWP T-54/55 pics about balkan tanks.Maybe,if I correct front rubber add-on, I can use one of the camo in the book.
I know about Modelkasten track set...but I've this set from aber and I'm working with it.I know that you don't like PE.... :-).
And your AM?!any update?!I love that tank!!I hope and I'm sure you'll do another masterpiece.


Mauro...I got it!

Ciro
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Posted: Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 09:38 PM UTC
I'm working on details while I'm waiting some materials...
It's a russian(I think)device.....polish one looks different...do you know where I can take pics of different snorkel types?!



Let me know what do you think

Cheers fellows
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Posted: Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 10:50 PM UTC
Ciro...It's a stunning work
Your snorkel it's realy nice

but...

The polish snorkel is simplier



I sent you a mail whit some photos



ps...in the pics that i've seen all the serbian t55, russian or polish made, had the polish snorkel

here

you can find an awesome polish t 55 done by....a polish modeller

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Posted: Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 11:29 PM UTC


That's the polish snorkel that i've done
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Posted: Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 01:24 AM UTC
I see a nice job here!To do the polish type will be simple....we'll see....
Thanks for details
Ciro
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Posted: Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 02:21 AM UTC
Hi Ciro. Some lovely details added. Not my preferred era, but very enjoyable work, all the same.
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Posted: Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 02:50 AM UTC

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I see a nice job here!To do the polish type will be simple....we'll see....
Thanks for details
Ciro



Thanks a lot Ciro

You're very skilled...Are going to be very simple your scratch work to do the polish snorkel

Cheers
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Posted: Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 04:54 AM UTC
Nice details!

Thanks for posting.


cheers
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Posted: Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 08:47 AM UTC

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actually not all the T55s have this vent. This a croat (ex JNA) polish made T55. It doesnt'have those vent. To be exact the vent is smaller than usual and is hidden by the turret



It is there, it just does not have the screen cover on it.



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Posted: Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 11:08 AM UTC
Hi fellows,
many thanks for your comments.

I think you're right about the pic Tony,but also the quoted text is right.
Maybe not the best picture to show what the text says.
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Posted: Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 12:17 PM UTC
Good model Ciro.
One notice hatches on engine deck wich you made is true for T-54 only. Soviet, Polish, Czech..etc.

for all T-55 true this hatch


please check youre references to refine the model
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Posted: Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 07:13 PM UTC
Well,
I've worked with Rossagraph,WWP,Kagero,Military Technical and other books on the desk and walkarounds on pc
I can say you that a good number of polish T-55 are rebuilt T-54.We can debate about nomenclature.
Sincerely I don't know if we can say that the T-54A in service with Polish are ,once they was rebuilt or upgraded,called T-55U.
For example,the mushroom exhaust ventilation was welded and positioned at the bottom of turret,under the Luna searchlight and near the main gun barrel.In details we can see the weld lines,in the place where once was the exhaust.
On the books, in some tanks, the thing is visible.Of course,you can consider it a T-54 rebuilt and call it T-54....or a T-55(maybe pretty new)...choose you.
This is one of a typical feature of a T-54 series.There are also other details as you sure know.
I know ,about the engine deck hatches, that oblung shaped air filter hatch is a typical feature of a T-55 and not a T-54 one but I think also that this in not true for polish built T-54(3000 built tanks produced between 1956 and 1964 )or T-55(7000 produced between 1964 and 1979) by Bumar-Łabędy manufacturer
I don't know if your position is correct cause the things can be seen in different ways.
Modelling the tank....I've found this...a walkaround....amongs other,

http://www.hrcappuccino.org/articles/okohodac/T-55.htm

Correct or wrong!?!Also in Kagero the tank is called T-55A (upgrade of a T-55 model)and not T-54.
Please can you show me where did you get this type of info?!
I always try to get infos on t-54/55 .This is also the reason why I'm learning Russian language cause I want to be able ,in a year or two, to translate something by my own.

Many thanks

Ciro

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Posted: Monday, November 15, 2010 - 05:56 AM UTC

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actually not all the T55s have this vent. This a croat (ex JNA) polish made T55. It doesnt'have those vent. To be exact the vent is smaller than usual and is hidden by the turret



It is there, it just does not have the screen cover on it.





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Tony. This is a pic of a polish made T55 belonging to the polish army:



Instead this is anoter pic of croatian tank that I posted before



There isn't the vent.
Probably just on the early polish made t55 there was the vent yet, but not on the late exemplars



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Posted: Monday, November 15, 2010 - 08:45 AM UTC
Both those engine decks look to be T-54 to me....As pointed out by Taras earlier. You can distinguish this by the shape of the air cleaner hatch./hinges etc.

Andy
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Posted: Monday, November 15, 2010 - 08:59 AM UTC
This is the reason that I've tried to point out Andy....
T-54 polish rebuilt can be called T-55,the thing appears in some books and nomenclature,sincerly I don't know how much the thing can be correct or wrong.
If you see the walkaround title it says "T-55"....also on the Kagero book it say T-55a.
I've built my tank with references...the problem can be to choose the right nomenclature.
T-55U!?
T-54 rebuilt?!
who knows?!?!
Andy.....what did you do with T-54AM!?any update?!
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Posted: Monday, November 15, 2010 - 09:15 AM UTC

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Well,
I've worked with Rossagraph,WWP,Kagero,Military Technical and other books on the desk and walkarounds on pc
For example,the mushroom exhaust ventilation was welded and positioned at the bottom of turret,under the Luna searchlight and near the main gun barrel.


On T-54's it was a regular combat area ventilation. On T-55's it was a FVU - NBC protection systems. Port for atomic dust outlet.

Quoted Text

Modelling the tank....I've found this...a walkaround....amongs other,


Yes you're right. And I'm very glad to see yours build.

Quoted Text

Correct or wrong!?!Also in Kagero the tank is called T-55A (upgrade of a T-55 model)and not T-54.


Please look on the engine deck hatches on that tank.


Quoted Text

Please can you show me where did you get this type of info?!



two RossaGraph books. There you can see modernized Polish T-54.


Quoted Text

I always try to get infos on t-54/55 .This is also the reason why I'm learning Russian language cause I want to be able ,in a year or two, to translate something by my own.


Warsaw Pact T-54/55's were very different from Soviet ones. If you want to build Polish T now you may study Polish i think.
For me it is very interesting why Poles from Armorama don't help you.


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Posted: Monday, November 15, 2010 - 09:21 AM UTC

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T-55U!?
T-54 rebuilt?!
who knows?!?!



I think the ONLY right way is the build model from photo prototype.
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Posted: Monday, November 15, 2010 - 09:24 AM UTC
Ciro

Do you have the Rossagraph books....again pointed out by Taras, they are excellent books...1 deals with hull details and the other turret details. No further work on the T-55m Ciro, all i have done is make the track guide/mud clearers on the centresof the sprockets.

Regards
Andy
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Posted: Monday, November 15, 2010 - 09:24 AM UTC

http://www.hrcappuccino.org/articles/okohodac/T-55.htm
I think this tank is the MIX of parts from T-54 and T-55.

Can you post other images of this T?

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Posted: Monday, November 15, 2010 - 09:37 AM UTC
I'll call it T-5xxx
Well fellows,I've used rossagraph and kagero as basic references.Both books say that tanks showed are polish.
I assumed I've built a polish tank.
Which version is unknow.
At least I've built a replica of a prototype tank.

Maybe one day we'll know which version!
If there are some polish fellows that are expert of the thing I would read his/her comments.

Cheers
Ciro
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Posted: Monday, November 15, 2010 - 09:57 AM UTC

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I think this tank is the MIX of parts from T-54 and T-55.

Can you post other images of this T?