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My Not So Great Egyptian ZSU-23-4
rjc_rbnj
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Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 - 02:54 PM UTC
Here's my not so great ZSU-23-4. I tried really hard but just couldn't get it up to the level I really wanted too. The PE set was painful but I'm going to keep trying till I get it right.


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melvin
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Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 - 03:08 PM UTC
Looks like a clean build and nicely applied cammo paint to me . Thumbs up .
rjc_rbnj
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Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 - 03:13 PM UTC
I seem to run hot and cold. Modern Russo/Soviet armour is my favorite but by US and IDF stuff always seems to come out better. Here's some of my work over in the other fourm:

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/168553&page=1

Rov
mat
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Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 - 07:29 PM UTC
Hi Rob,

what is it you are not happy about. The details, paint, weathering?

Cheers,

Matthijs
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Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 - 08:12 PM UTC
Attempt was not bad, just a few things we look for a car fender (since rubber sheet) does not break sharply, but the curved ends.
The corrected upper deck gun, because I see little "squint".
The tracks can only be clean of rust, if it is a long time, and where the rubber meets metal (teeth), he wears nicely polished, refined, this is even more true in the sand, like a fine abrasive powder.
The infrared lamps are always black, (front, the traditional silver and chrome), a marker lamps (if you filter on it), red front, rear, and the tower are green, white or both, of the former models is given.
If you change these you can cope.
Well done, more!

Here is my Hungarian Shilka (Is so clear, because past performance is sought).
You can draw inspiration from it.
http://cid-ee536f896a8bd757.office.live.com/browse.aspx/Makettek/ZSU-23-4%20V1%20%5E5early%5E6%20Shilka%201-35%20Dragon/ZSU-23-4%20V1%5EJ%2023-19%5EJ%2069.H.K.E.%20L%C3%A9gv.%C3%BC.%5EJ%20Nagyat%C3%A1d

Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 - 08:28 PM UTC
Hi Rob

Being never completely satisfied with our own works is the better way to improve yourself.
Althoug I believe in this sort of rule, I think your model is very very good.
I saw a lot of modeller very happy to have done models a lot worse than your.

So, don't worry, your work is almost perfect

cheers
juge75
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Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 - 08:41 PM UTC
Do not say it that bad, just not quite ready yet! :-)
The bottom line: you're happy in their work hand in it!
First one was very good!!
Keep it up!
todorovicandreas
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Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 - 08:55 PM UTC
Hi Rob,

I really like your effort, respect for that! The camo is versy interesting and well executed.

All the best,

Andreas

P.s.: Your other models are awsome too!
rjc_rbnj
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Posted: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 - 03:20 AM UTC
It's the details that kill me. I still new to using PE parts and it can be fustrating. CA glue and I don't mix well. Tried soldering a few boxes on my S-10 Strela and am having mixed results (first time I ever used a soldering iron in my life).

I was working on the Eastern Express BDM-2 and wound up junking it after several attemps on life support.

I need to watch some vids on how to work with PE frets. I've got the Mission Models workstation and small pen type tool for curves. I also have the curve bender from "The Small Shop". I just sorry I didn't got for the PE workstation from JMC.

I also need some instruction on using pigments. I passed on the pigments from MIG and went for the Brigadoon stuff. Same product, just much less expensive. Briadoon doesn't pluck down $$$$$ for adverstizing.

Rob
rjc_rbnj
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Posted: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 - 03:25 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Attempt was not bad, just a few things we look for a car fender (since rubber sheet) does not break sharply, but the curved ends.
The corrected upper deck gun, because I see little "squint".
The tracks can only be clean of rust, if it is a long time, and where the rubber meets metal (teeth), he wears nicely polished, refined, this is even more true in the sand, like a fine abrasive powder.
The infrared lamps are always black, (front, the traditional silver and chrome), a marker lamps (if you filter on it), red front, rear, and the tower are green, white or both, of the former models is given.
If you change these you can cope.
Well done, more!

Here is my Hungarian Shilka (Is so clear, because past performance is sought).
You can draw inspiration from it.
http://cid-ee536f896a8bd757.office.live.com/browse.aspx/Makettek/ZSU-23-4%20V1%20%5E5early%5E6%20Shilka%201-35%20Dragon/ZSU-23-4%20V1%5EJ%2023-19%5EJ%2069.H.K.E.%20L%C3%A9gv.%C3%BC.%5EJ%20Nagyat%C3%A1d




Going to take you advise and try some improvements on tracks and lights.

Rob
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Posted: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 - 04:42 AM UTC
hi Rob,

your Shilka looks very nice and the paintwork of the camo brings out the uniqueness of the vehicle subject. photoetched brass is a different material to use than most other scale products and it does come with tricks and tips that can be researched online. one tip i can give is to cut the brass off the fret on a hard surface (i use an old piece of glass) so that the brass doesn't bend during cutting. you can also put the fret on a piece of tape so the piece doesn't go flying when it is cut free.

i use tweezers for most of my bending, i get them from the cosmetic section of the grocery store. i highly recommend annealing the brass for curves, bends and doing damage. this just involves putting the brass over a burning matchstick (hold it with tweezers) and then clean it with soapy water and you will see what a difference on how the metal behaves.

years and years ago on a far away planet i built the Shilka (was it the late 80's or early 90's?) and there wasn't any PE brass like there is today. but i got Concord's book on the Shilka and built a full interior, driver's compartment, generator compartment, ammo feed racks and lots of details from plasticard and stretched sprue. here's some pics:







things you may want to add are the wires running to the radar array, rain caps with drawstrings for the barrel ends and the cooling hoses on the barrels made from copper wire to make them look less stiff.

my model shows many rookie mistakes but it was fun to build and i hope it helps in some way to add it here. cheers, bd.
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 - 09:12 AM UTC

Quoted Text

It's the details that kill me. I still new to using PE parts and it can be fustrating. CA glue and I don't mix well. Tried soldering a few boxes on my S-10 Strela and am having mixed results (first time I ever used a soldering iron in my life).

I was working on the Eastern Express BDM-2 and wound up junking it after several attemps on life support.

I need to watch some vids on how to work with PE frets. I've got the Mission Models workstation and small pen type tool for curves. I also have the curve bender from "The Small Shop". I just sorry I didn't got for the PE workstation from JMC.

I also need some instruction on using pigments. I passed on the pigments from MIG and went for the Brigadoon stuff. Same product, just much less expensive. Briadoon doesn't pluck down $$$$$ for adverstizing.

Rob



Maybe some link can help you

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/2009/01/09/modeling-with-photo-etched-parts/

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/TnT_Archives/Photo_Etch.htm

http://www.scaleautomag.com/How%20to%20and%20Models/How%20To/2009/04/How%20to%20work%20with%20photoetched%20parts.aspx

http://www.italianhorses.net/tutorials/Photoetch/pe.htm

http://www.missing-lynx.com/rare_world/rw05.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIUJKzC3RME&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhdH-LHDRiE

http://ultrawerke.blogspot.com/2007/08/rust-painting-tutorial-with-pigments.html


I hope this is useful for you

Cheers

rjc_rbnj
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Posted: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 - 09:42 AM UTC
thanks much!!! will check out those links!
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 - 09:56 AM UTC
Yuo're welcome

If i'll find some other tutorial or intresting link, I surely give you

cheers
rjc_rbnj
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Posted: Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 12:50 PM UTC
that;s one awesone ZSU you built. an inspiration for me!!!!
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