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musicwerks
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Posted: Sunday, January 30, 2011 - 01:49 AM UTC
Dear friends,

I just built and painted my Ardennes KT 222, old Tamiya kit.

The dark yellow is a mix of Gunze middle stone and randome, green is gunze russian green 2 and the oxide red is flat red and tamiya hull red mix.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/34932586@N06/5401068420/in/photostream/


Question-
a) Is the oxide red too reddish?
b) If so, how can I correct it w/o re-spraying. I have done many layers of hand painting and AB spraying...it may become too thick.
c) Can wash do the trick to dull the red to lesser reddish hue? What kind of wash to use?





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Posted: Sunday, January 30, 2011 - 04:08 AM UTC
hi Kiong,

first off, nice build. your King Tiger looks great.

the problem i may point out is that late model KTs with ambush camo patterns (especially ones that started using the base oxide primer to save paint) had hard edges to the shapes, not soft ones as you currently have done with freehand airbrushing.

i am building a KT Porsche myself and have been reading lots of books on this machine and i am not counting any of the museum attempts at representing camo which there are some unusual versions (Bovington i'm looking at you, though with a smile as well).

having said that, i am also the kind of modeler that believes that even though it was typical to do the camo in hard edge that perhaps, out of the 500+ machines made, maybe someone just painted it soft edge in the field after repairs. as long as you're having enjoyment with the painting than i'm okay with the soft edges.

if Tamiya's Hull Red is the same as ModelMaster's Hull Red i would have just gone with that as a start, not adding any more red to it. washes with raw umber will tone it down and adding dust and perhaps oil dot colour manipulation could help too. cheers, bd.
Paul-H
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Posted: Sunday, January 30, 2011 - 07:10 AM UTC
Hi

Just to be different and there is always one so it might as well be me

The Green and Red actualy look quite close to RAL8017 Rotbraun & RAL6003 Olivegrün, for me what dosen't look quite right is the yellow, it looks to pale to be RAL7028 Dunkelgelb, it needed to be a bit darker and a touch greener, a nice filter should sort it though.

On the other hand no mater what you did there will always be some armchair general telling you you got it wrong as long as you are happy with it thats all that matters.

Paul
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Posted: Sunday, January 30, 2011 - 08:19 PM UTC
The red oxide doesn't look too red to be primer to me. It's usually described as a brick red color. I'm assuming you are doing the Autumn scheme as suggested by Thomas Jentz, where the primer is the base color and the paint crew skips the Rotbraun paint as being redundant with the primer showing.
I think the Dunkelgelb could be a bit deeper, though it is one of those colors that looks quite saturated close up, but "reads" much lighter from a distance. The official RAL color chip was a tan color, though some surviving samples are indeed greenish. If you weather it, the precise colors won't really matter.
Some KIng Tigers with the Ambush Scheme had a lot more spots, looking absolutely polka-dotted--I suppose it depended on how much time the paint crew had to finish.
However, it does look like you've used the Dunkelgelb as the base color, which would be incorrect for that scheme. The Dunkelgelb would be a secondary color over the primer. Also, the post-September schemes were officially supposed to be hard-edged, though there may have been some exceptions.
I should mention that there are camouflage heretics in the modeling community, who believe that Jentz has misconstrued the painting orders, and maintain that all three original colors (Rotbraun, Olivgrun and Dunkelgelb) were used, completely covering the primer. They insist that the only change was that the whole tank wasn't painted with Dunkelgelb first--that the three colors were applied only where they were supposed to be visible, like a paint by numbers set. Rather than argue, I usually prefer to model the earlier and later schemes, and just skip the Autumn, 1944, period altogether.
Though too late for the Battle of the Bulge, the final scheme, overall Olivgrun with bands of Rotbraun and Dunkelgelb, was supposed to be introduced at the end of 1944, though factories had until March, 1945 to comply. From black and white photos, it's impossible to say exactly when Henschel made the switch, since a dark base color could be primer or Olivgrun (I suspect they adopted it quickly, since they switched to the previous scheme as soon as the orders went out in September, 1944). The Ambush Scheme spots occasionally reappeared in 1945 as well, but apparently that depended on how busy the Henschel paint shop was.
210cav
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Posted: Monday, January 31, 2011 - 03:33 AM UTC
Kiong-- wow! I am no expert on German Armor painting, but your work is outstanding. Very nice build.
DJ
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Posted: Monday, January 31, 2011 - 02:21 PM UTC
red x s are all I see
Paul-H
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Posted: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - 05:46 AM UTC

Quoted Text

red x s are all I see



Me too, but if you click on the flickr link you will see them all

Paul
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