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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 12:45 AM UTC
I am interesting in modelling a 1/35 series II/IIA Land Rover

As for as I am aware there are only two options for this type in this scale both from Tamiya:

Tamiya British Ambulance Rover 7:


Tamiya SAS Land Rover Pink Panther

(This kit has also been boxed by Italeri and due for reissue this year)

I know there are other options for later land rovers and in other scales but I am set on a 1/35 Series II/IIA.

However both of these kits are for specialist variants and individually don't allow a more standard version OOB. The Ambulance lacks the rear side walls and tailgate whilst the pink panther lack doors and windscreen. Both also feature different bumpers and wheels.


So here is what I am thinking:

1. Kitbash the two kits?

Probably using the ambulance as a base and taking rear chassis elements from the pink panther. I have neither kit as yet so don't know how interchangable these parts would be but I'm guessing they are based on the same basic moulds. There is an excellent lebanese gun truck on this forum that simply scratchbuilt the rear chassis elements but I think that is abit beyond my skill levels and the pink panther is relatively availble and cheap.
I am also aware pink panther sits higher and may have some of the lower chassis wall removed but I'm not sure on this and how the two elements would marry up around the doors, does anyone have experience trying this? Any other major considerations I have missed?

This is the basic end product that I'm aiming for, however not specifically this example...although a 1/35 lion could be interesting to model!



2. Converting into a 88" (SWB)

Assuming the above kitbash is possible I would have a Series II/IIA 109" Long Wheel Base. If I then wanted to convert it into a 88' Short Wheel Base how would I go about it?



The 21" difference is at the rear, but is split both sides of the rear axle. Does anyone know where exactly where to cutand how much I would have to take of each sections? The shape of rear side section as it tapers up to met the tailgate is also therefore different. Does anyone know any scale plans are available of either SWB or LWB? There are loads of Land Rover sites out of course with technical diagrams etc but strangely none that I can with such basic plans

Would greatly appreciate any and all input, especially from anyone who has attempted to do the same. Hopefully this project won't get filed into the too difficult pile!

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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 01:04 AM UTC
Mouse Armour has released a conversion set to turn a Tamiya Land Rover (works with both kits) into an Australian LWB Land Rover Series II General Service :



http://www.mheaust.com.au/MHE/Resin/MA/MALR.htm

May be worth considering....

PS : you can find some 1/32nd scale lions on eBay


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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 01:16 AM UTC
Italeri did a long wheel base LR back in the 70s. Don't know how accurate it is / was ( E.bay ?) Might be a cheap way to go , if you can find one
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 01:21 AM UTC
I have used the Italeri/Revell Ser3 and the Tamiya kits to make some different versions like Ser2 GS, Ser3 Ambulance, the only problem now is getting the It/Rev kits at a sensible price

Malcolm

PS You will need to change the wheels on the It/Rev kits for either AA, or Firing Line as the kit ones are very poor, otherwise the kits are fine
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 02:21 AM UTC

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Mouse Armour has released a conversion set to turn a Tamiya Land Rover (works with both kits) into an Australian LWB Land Rover Series II General Service



Thank you for that, especially the lion!

Will certainly bear it mind but at that price will be more than twice the cost of a donor kit for kitbashing, so will see how viable that is first.
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 02:35 AM UTC


In regards to the Revell/Italeri Land Rover 109 (LWB) kits, they represent a series 3 and not series 2 vehicle.

The most obvious external differences are the front grill and light setup. One might be able to kitbash with one of the tamiya kits but as had aready been said the Italeri/Revell kits are quite rare and therefore can command quite a cost.

Malcolm, would be interested to see some of your land rover models.
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 06:03 AM UTC

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I have used the Italeri/Revell Ser3 and the Tamiya kits to make some different versions like Ser2 GS, Ser3 Ambulance, the only problem now is getting the It/Rev kits at a sensible price

Malcolm

PS You will need to change the wheels on the It/Rev kits for either AA, or Firing Line as the kit ones are very poor, otherwise the kits are fine



DJParkins Firing Line do a series of Landies, 1/2 ton light-weight to 1-Ton...

I think the best bet would be the front of the Tamiya Ambulance with The Italeri/Revell Series 3 Landy, for a Series II/IIa front....

Or just the Italeri/Revell Series III kit
I fail to see why this kit is so expensive, as the RoG kit is still in production & can be found for about £13.00 ($22.00) in the shops.
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 10:48 AM UTC

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I think the best bet would be the front of the Tamiya Ambulance with The Italeri/Revell Series 3 Landy, for a Series II/IIa front....

Or just the Italeri/Revell Series III kit
I fail to see why this kit is so expensive, as the RoG kit is still in production & can be found for about £13.00 ($22.00) in the shops.



I wasn't aware it was in current in production. If you can find a source for one at that price within the UK then please let me know!
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 11:35 AM UTC
I'd be interested too as I could do with another couple for different versions I intend to do. I recently bought the Italeri one at a stupid price on Ebay.
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 03:33 PM UTC
Hi Mandrake,

I kit bashed the Ambo and pink panther about 23 years ago. My skills weren't that good but I managed it. The only thing I couldn't figure out back then was how to remove the PSP mount along the sides. They're just one big long panel. Now I would just sand it off. So it is do-able. I still have the old thing but it is well and truly trashed now. I just keep it as a reminder of my first kitbash.

Cheers, John
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 09:57 PM UTC

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I wasn't aware it was in current in production. If you can find a source for one at that price within the UK then please let me know!



Thinking about it..... That was in Dominos in Leicester at least a couple of years ago... I'm not often in proper hobby shops.

RoG are not currently listing it as in production... my bad...

Many years ago ModelFan Magazine of Germany dad a sequence of articles to model various marks of Landy, inc how to do the 88" SWB.
I'll try & find them, but they could be loft fodder at my folks...
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 11:01 PM UTC
88' chassis drawing with measurements:
http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww116/ashcroft752/chassismeasure.jpg

109' chassis drawing with measurements:
http://www.lrfaq.org/Series/images/109CoachbuildersDrawing.jpg

Diagram comparing the two:
http://www.connectstores.com/lr/images/LwbandSwbChassis.jpg

The following are pretty basic line drawings but give a good idea of proportions etc for any scratchbuilding:
http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/cars/landrover/

For further info, I would try looking on the net for landrover forums - look for people who have done full rebuilds or restoration of landrovers - the work in progress pictures are usually a great help.

Hope these help. I had a plan to do a few major scratchbuilt conversions of the tamiya or italeri landrovers, but never got around to it - keep us posted with your progress!

John
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Posted: Monday, May 02, 2011 - 08:27 AM UTC
Many thanks for the additional replies, those diagrams will come in very useful!

I think I will go ahead with my original plan and get the two kits and look to kitbash them into a standard 2 Series 109". In the process I will gauge how easy it would be to convert into a 88" but suspect those plans will have to wait.

Also after doing all this research I think I might have to do a pink panther as well!

Will be sure to post any progress on this project on here!
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Posted: Monday, May 02, 2011 - 04:15 PM UTC
I have used the pink panther to make a series 2a land rover. i filled the mounts for the sand tracks, and ground down the sides. the problem is there is no feul fillers on either side. I cut down the windscreen from the ambulance and used that.

The only true way to get a correct series 2/2a is to use the mouse house conversion, and i'm not sure if they have any more of them. i bought one from them last week, and it took them a while to get it.

I am going to be making a 2a 88', 2a lwb gs, a series 3 FFR, and a series 3 88'. I'll put up pick of my progress.

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Posted: Monday, May 02, 2011 - 07:48 PM UTC
Good point about the fuel cap, hadn't considered that.

I wonder how hard it would be to carve out the recess and scratch build it?
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Posted: Monday, May 02, 2011 - 08:01 PM UTC

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Good point about the fuel cap, hadn't considered that.

I wonder how hard it would be to carve out the recess and scratch build it?



It shouldnt be too hard. I'll be trying that on one of my builds. Will let you know how it goes.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 - 06:27 AM UTC
Don`t forget that military L/R`s had the fuel tanks under the seats in the cab, filled by lifting the seat cushion.
The exception were the civvy versions.
I did my Ser2 versions by swapping the grill parts from Tamiya to the Ital/Rev plus the dash parts.

Malcolm
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Posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 - 12:02 PM UTC

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Don`t forget that military L/R`s had the fuel tanks under the seats in the cab, filled by lifting the seat cushion.
The exception were the civvy versions.
I did my Ser2 versions by swapping the grill parts from Tamiya to the Ital/Rev plus the dash parts.

Malcolm



Not the aussie series 2,2a's. they had the tanks under the seats, but had the fillers right behind the doors on either side. The italeri and revell series 3 have the tank under the rear with the filler in the side. for the aussie version you need to fill the filler and locate a new one to the drivers side right behind the door.

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Posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 - 07:52 PM UTC

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Don`t forget that military L/R`s had the fuel tanks under the seats in the cab, filled by lifting the seat cushion.
The exception were the civvy versions.
I did my Ser2 versions by swapping the grill parts from Tamiya to the Ital/Rev plus the dash parts.

Malcolm



Thanks for that Malcolm, one less thing to worry about!

My proposed LWB is destined to become a British army example.

Would love to do one that served out in Aden in the rather attractive sand/black camo however I think all those were SWB. LWB examples were definately present but all picture references I have indicate that they were only ever in their original bronze green or repainted overall sand.

Hopefully someone can prove me wrong!

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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 06:28 AM UTC
If you go this site www.xrhgb.com click on Regiment then click on Aden, you will find some super photos including one of a 109 abandoned in the middle of a river.
The aussie L/R`s had the fuel filler on both sides

Regards


Malcolm
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 11:53 AM UTC

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Good point about the fuel cap, hadn't considered that.

I wonder how hard it would be to carve out the recess and scratch build it?



A military spec series II or III didn't have filler caps on the body sides - the tanks and fillers are under the seats - you fill up be lifting the seats to get at the petrol caps; this can cause a certain amount of consternation when filling up at some stations and you disappear into the interior with the hose from the pump

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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 04:03 PM UTC
Mandrake

If you have a look at my build you will see a few pics of short wheel base chassis and fuel tank arrangements that were used on the 88 inch military.

I have the ESCI 1/24 scale 109 kit too and will need to change the rear fuel tank to twin tanks under the seats also.

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/171690#1441269

Nige

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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 - 04:31 PM UTC
Italerei also did a version of the Pink Panther Srs. II vehicle--called it a Desert Rats SAS combat car (kit No.258). It was not the same as the Tamiya kit. The front of this vehicle will match the front of the Italerei/Testors/Revell Germany kits pretty well--and it is a Series II front end. I purchased several of these kits a few years ago as a company was clearing out plastic kits and have been using for parts in various conversions. Would be glad to send you a front end if you want. Let me know and we can set something up. Also, Bob Morrison did an article about 20 years ago in Tamiya Magizine on converting the Italerei 109" to 88" fire service vehicles. I still have the article somewhere and will try to get hold of it. Cannot send pictures over computer, but can send photocopy through snail mail if you would like a copy. I am always glad to see others interested in Land Rover models--civilian or military. They have been sadly neglected over the years and are finally getting their due. Hopefully revell/germany will re-release their military SrsIII, but with right hand drive as well. It was not that bad of a kit , aside from the tyres. Decals were great! All of the Italerei-based kits, including the Testors and Revell Germany versions show up on E-Bay regularly; some do go for high prices, others have been pretty cheap. I check on them often, so I know they are out there. Cheers!
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Posted: Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 05:58 AM UTC
ok let me see if i can help im a self confessed land rover nut. currently converting a AA wolf to a pulse Ambulance,anyway enough of me.
converting a tamiya land rover to an 88 or 1/4 ton.
cement in p[lace part no A16.TRANSMISSION CROSS BEARER then saw through the chassis framesimmediatly behind it,then saw through the chassis immediatley in front of the next cross member to the rear, all things being well you should have removed about 14mm of chassis ////?. now join the rest of the chassis together and you should have the start of your swb land rover. you aslo need to shorten the rear by cutting up to the rear xmember.
i hope this helps and makes some sence if you need any more help just ask.
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Posted: Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 07:42 AM UTC

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Italerei also did a version of the Pink Panther Srs. II vehicle--called it a Desert Rats SAS combat car (kit No.258). It was not the same as the Tamiya kit. The front of this vehicle will match the front of the Italerei/Testors/Revell Germany kits pretty well--and it is a Series II front end. I purchased several of these kits a few years ago as a company was clearing out plastic kits and have been using for parts in various conversions. Would be glad to send you a front end if you want. Let me know and we can set something up. Also, Bob Morrison did an article about 20 years ago in Tamiya Magizine on converting the Italerei 109" to 88" fire service vehicles. I still have the article somewhere and will try to get hold of it. Cannot send pictures over computer, but can send photocopy through snail mail if you would like a copy. I am always glad to see others interested in Land Rover models--civilian or military. They have been sadly neglected over the years and are finally getting their due. Hopefully revell/germany will re-release their military SrsIII, but with right hand drive as well. It was not that bad of a kit , aside from the tyres. Decals were great! All of the Italerei-based kits, including the Testors and Revell Germany versions show up on E-Bay regularly; some do go for high prices, others have been pretty cheap. I check on them often, so I know they are out there. Cheers!



Intresting to hear that the Tamiya pink panther and Italeri desert rats are actually different mouldings.

Has anyone compared the two?

I would be interesting to know the pros and cons of both, especially consisting Italeri is planning to reissue it's version this year.

Many thanks for your offer, however it would still require getting hold of the italeri/revell 3 series kit, which here atleast are quite rare and or expensive.


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