Tony ,give the guy a break....

See and thanks Billy for you info. See I want to take the tank to my clubes next show/contest in September. I want to try and get it right.
Typed inof is cool but as a scratchbuilder I really need clear: black & white or color photos to help in my build of a subject. With out the right type of photos, I can't get started.

At this point I really feel there now right way to build the tank. Just build a standerd Soviet T-72 and give it eather Syrian markings or some type of camo color.

I do know what the up to date camo color should look like from the photo's of the "syrian revolution" or the "military crackdown"., but let's see what the ((Master Mind)) - "TonyDz-Tony Denazo" can come up with; as he is full of useful information! "Oh" Tony once again, no pressure!

let me know when you expect that M1 ABV to hit the shelves.

What M1 ABV hitting some shelves? what do you mean??
I thought we were tallking (Typing) about Syrian Armor here.

Are we??? You're the one muddying up this thread with photos of your other builds, photos of miscellaneous 'T'-series tanks and other musings. If you want to build a Syrian T-72, fine, go with that - a Syrian tank which you asked about in your original post. If you want to build a wild what-if, why waste everyone's time?

Jim

Well the problem is that pictures of Syrian T-72s are very, very rare. Here is one that is often said to be Syrian.



But it is not. There are Lybiain flags in the background. At least it is the right version of the T-72s the Syrians use, the original T-72 or known as the T-72M for the export model, not the T-72A. I hesitate to give you this link on Syrian T-72s due to your problem of spouting half read information, but it shows the problems of finding pictures of Syrian T-72s. Type in T-72 Syria, and read the threads on the subject,

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47209/search

This picture is about as good as it gets for Syrian T72s.



How do I know it is Syrian? By the Syrian unit markings on the lead tank.



If you keep posting up wrong information as if it is gospel, yes I am going to call you on it. It is quite obvious that you know little about the T-72, it's versions and users. There are people who would like to learn the correct information. Just build the guy a T-55, there are plenty of pictures around of Syrian ones. Is "rong" a swamp word?

Thanks for those fuzzy photos. I just love secend hand photos that I have offline. I love the on with the really fuzzy red dot. I thought if I were to post that photo you would say it was rong as well. I never stated that what put up was the right thing. I just put up what I thought was right or what I found on the Net, like you have!

That's why I came to Armorama so I could learn and build the best and most correct armor projects that I can.
I guess this link is rong to?
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_444.shtml

As you stated: "Just build the guy a T-55". That what a unskilled modeler would do. Doing the hard and truly rare project's is what makes modeling wearth ones time. It helps grow ones knowledge about a subject. One thing sticks out about you, you have no patience for any one that has the rong point of view.

You just attack first and then maybe you'll give needed information. To be a good help full and frendly Modeler. "Modeler"!
Jumping on me stating: It is quite obvious that you know little about the T-72. Your right I don't know any thing about Syrian Armor.

What I hoped you would have stated: Friend look's like you realy don't know much about any of the Syrian T-72 nor any other T-72s. As I know quite a bit about the T-72 in general. I'll point out what and were, I think your having your problem.
An please try not to posting wrong information as if it is gospel. This can be a bit misleading.

So I should do what you stated and take the easy way out. Man do you take the easy way out, so you wont have to learn any thing?
Hay were's your "Build Logs" on here. There's nothing under your Photos section. I would love to see some of you masterful works of art.

An that link you posted, showed me this "Search is currently unavailable. Please try again later."
So how are any of us on AF to know that the info your posting secend hand like I have done, it the truth or gospel?
This is a question not an a personal attack.

An Thanks for your worm and patience help

Military Photos is were the Fuzzy photos came from guys.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?161907-Syrian-Armed-Force/page5

Here's a clear image of the Syrian T-72 from the Finnish Tank Museum
http://www.acpr.org.il/ENGLISH-NATIV/04-issue/fishbein-4.htm

You picked your screen name well I will give you that.




What, I am busted? Yes that is more than likely were I found the picture. So what? That is the best shot of Syrian T-72s I have seen on the net. Like I said they are very, very rare. Sorry if I can not fufill your demands of clear black and white photos of every detail you want. Do your own work. I find it funny that the one picture you claim to have that would be right, you did not post.




Wrong again. That is a picture of a Finnish T-72 of a different make than what the Syrians use.




This one I do not even have clue as to what you are claiming to be right or "rong". Your problem is you must be very gullible to believe everything on the web is fact. My knowledge base comes from some 40 years of doing my own research, a lot of that pre-dating the internet when one had to track down books and magazine articles. I am sure that would be way too much like work for some.




So, throwing down the gauntlet? You want to have a build off at 30 paces? Sorry, you do not rate it.




I did not attack you, I just told you you were wrong when you were. I did not mention your lack of knowledge untill you got snippy with me. Sorry if I do not meet your standards of reply. If it is such a problem I suggest you seek the Miss Manners website and pose the question to her on how I should reply and get back with me.




Well then I suggest you follow what instructions it gives you.

Well since you seem to be upset with the way I give out information, I can fix that. I will no longer reply to any of your requests for help of any sort. So you can sit down there in the swamp and go on believing everything on the web is fact and real. Look out, here comes Elvis in a black helicopter.

Relax people its just a hobby forum,all sorts of guys here.....tony and jim i understand your frustration,,caveman if you want the job done...do it yourself.

I absolutely agree. I have looked for them for ages but I couldn't find anything. I think that Syrian are quite strict about military information spreading


And c'mon man please don't argue.. Debates are always more interesting than flames

cheers

"tankrou and Spiderfrommars" you guys are right, this ends here. He has his weard view and I have my view.

I do like the fact that he pointed out not all things on the net are true. If I'm so very gullible to believe everything on the web is fact. Than his secend hand info like my secend hand info maybe rong!

So I'll do this project the best way I can. Thanks to all the "Modelers" that tryed to help. I'll put your info in to action and not take the easy way out like some people!

I still would love to see some armor projects by that guy. Hummmm
Any one knows of any post,build logs like the rest of us have

Man we all got "PUNKED" by "TonyDz"!

Sorry AF and real Model builders for all this some-what off topic chatter!

Captain- you do what YOU want to do. Thats all there is to it bud.
Your ABV is a stunning piece of work and I, for one, am looking forward to seeing what you do with this one.

Nothing in the web is fact!!!

Captin,

here is what I have found on my pc. It may help you with the camo. I got those from military-photos and yes I think those are syrian.













And pls stop that flame war with Tony, he is one of the guys who helped out many times with info, unimportant if he showed us some of his own works.

Regards,
Andreas

Hey Cap, I agree. So much anger on the net these days...
Now, if you were, say, stuck in a neighborhood where the current total market value of every house was less than $10,000, or or you were angry at the world because your guard retirement doesn't kick in for several more years, OR all you had to look at was your 400 armor references, your Cold War Certificate, and your DeVry Certificate of Attendance, you might have reason to be angry. Since I don't think you're that guy, let's just see more of those great builds of yours.

Well, since 'nothing on the web is a fact' and since Syrian references are so thin (likely because they don't want anyone to know their military is 35 years behind everyone else's) I suggest you CC do whatever you like, then have the Armchair Armor Auteurs prove you wrong. But on the other hand since your work is so well executed, amid the ooohing and ahhhing who will care? Not I!
One rule of thumb-- euro green and sand, you will rarely go wrong with that.

This thread is hilarious

Euro Green and Sand., I will start with that. An yes this thread is hilarious!
I'll be starting in one day and I hope I can give as a detailed project as my ABV.

An "todorovicandreas" those are T-72s in the first 3 photos and the last ones I can't see clearly to identify them but they look like T-72s as well.

EDIT: both sets of photos are T-72s. Look at the number of larg road wheels. On both the T-55 and T-62., they both have five (5) large road wheels. An the T-72 has six(6) large road wheels.
Now rather there a M1,A.B or BM. As I don't know any thing about the configuration of the T-72s, I can't point out those letters mean. So from all that I have seen about the Syrian T-72, is it's a T-72M1.

Oh and I will have to add this sheld to the commanders hatch.