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Posted: Sunday, June 05, 2011 - 08:25 AM UTC
Hi all
I'm doing a russian Willys Jeep using the Tamiya kit. Looking for references I've found a pair of interesting pics, but i'd like to have some explanations about one detail which I've noticed:
What was it for this sort of filter ? Do you have perhaps some closer pics of it?
The second question that I ask you is:
Where was the Willys canvas roof stored when it wasn't mounted on the car?
I've noticed that Tamiya kit has a piece that depicts a folded tarp. That piece has to be mounted under the passenger seat. Is it the canvas roof?
Thanks in advance for any reply
Cheers
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Posted: Sunday, June 05, 2011 - 08:42 AM UTC
Hey Mauro,
Bussy as always i see. Like your're project. Maybe want to build one to.
I think it's a jack to changes tires. By the late Ba 64 they ware also located on the same spot there.
Regards,
Remco
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into the enemy's rear,
were we crush him in the flank,
merciless is your crew,
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on the combat orders, of comrade Stalin
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Posted: Sunday, June 05, 2011 - 09:41 AM UTC
The top was folded and stored under the passenger seat.
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Posted: Sunday, June 05, 2011 - 09:51 AM UTC
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I think it's a jack to changes tires. By the late Ba 64 they ware also located on the same spot there.
Thanks Remco. Do you have some pics of it?
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The top was folded and stored under the passenger seat.
Thanks a lot Dave, You confirm what I thought
cheers
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Posted: Sunday, June 05, 2011 - 09:15 PM UTC
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I think it's a jack to changes tires. By the late Ba 64 they ware also located on the same spot there.
Thanks Remco. Do you have some pics of it?
Mauro,
No, i,am sorry no photo. It was a educated guess. Althow i've seen it on a BA-64 pic.
Maybe you have photo's of the GAZ jeep clone. There is a book of the GAZ jeep.
I think that there is the anwer...
Regards,
Remco
P.s. Great topic and great info Mauro
Throu a hail off fire, rolls our heavy tank,
into the enemy's rear,
were we crush him in the flank,
merciless is your crew,
who's eyes will never dimm,
on the combat orders, of comrade Stalin
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Posted: Sunday, June 05, 2011 - 10:16 PM UTC
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I think it's a jack to changes tires. By the late Ba 64 they ware also located on the same spot there.
Thanks Remco. Do you have some pics of it?
Mauro,
No, i,am sorry no photo. It was a educated guess. Althow i've seen it on a BA-64 pic.
Maybe you have photo's of the GAZ jeep clone. There is a book of the GAZ jeep.
I think that there is the anwer...
Regards,
Remco
P.s. Great topic and great info Mauro
Well I'll try to find it in Gaz-67 walkarounds
Thanks a lot for the info Remco
cheers
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Posted: Sunday, June 05, 2011 - 10:36 PM UTC
Mauro,
I got a clear moment and remember that i have a book of the Jeep.
It's called ''Jeep goes to war". I look in too it. Maybe i find a pic of the russian version of it! I think it was my first book of ww II in english
.
Brings back memory's...
Regards,
Remco
Throu a hail off fire, rolls our heavy tank,
into the enemy's rear,
were we crush him in the flank,
merciless is your crew,
who's eyes will never dimm,
on the combat orders, of comrade Stalin
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Posted: Monday, June 06, 2011 - 05:43 AM UTC
Sorry Mauro,
No pics of Russian lend lease jeeps...
Regards,
Remco
Throu a hail off fire, rolls our heavy tank,
into the enemy's rear,
were we crush him in the flank,
merciless is your crew,
who's eyes will never dimm,
on the combat orders, of comrade Stalin
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Posted: Monday, June 06, 2011 - 06:39 AM UTC
No, this "strange unit" is not Willys's jack.
Original Willys jack is on picture below:
Some interesting Russian jeeps:
1) Interesting canvas top - on airfield:
2) Some sort of dinner in field conditions !
3) Three comrades (note the Horseshoe on jeep "nose"):
4) All American weapon - Willys and B-25 Mitchell bomber (Uman aerodrome, Ukraine):
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Posted: Monday, June 06, 2011 - 10:53 AM UTC
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No pics of Russian lend lease jeeps...
Don't worry Remco many thanks anyway
@Eduard
Thanks a milion for the pics. I didn'have some of them
In your opinion, what could be that sort of barrel?
Cheers and many thanks againn to both of you
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Posted: Monday, June 06, 2011 - 07:38 PM UTC
Be patient, dear Mauro !
I have asked my colleagues...
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Posted: Monday, June 06, 2011 - 07:50 PM UTC
[quote]No, this "strange unit" is not Willys's jack.
Original Willys jack is on picture below:
I thought it was more a russian jack on the jeep...
I have no pics of that, but that is wat sounds logical if i compare the location of the object...
Regards,
Remco
Throu a hail off fire, rolls our heavy tank,
into the enemy's rear,
were we crush him in the flank,
merciless is your crew,
who's eyes will never dimm,
on the combat orders, of comrade Stalin
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Posted: Monday, June 06, 2011 - 08:07 PM UTC
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Be patient, dear Mauro !
I have asked my colleagues...
I will
Thanks a milion Eduard
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I thought it was more a russian jack on the jeep...
I have no pics of that, but that is wat sounds logical if i compare the location of the object...
And actually It was Remco. Thanks anyway
cheers
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Posted: Monday, June 06, 2011 - 08:23 PM UTC
Great!!!
Hope to see you're pics soon!
Regards,
Remco
Throu a hail off fire, rolls our heavy tank,
into the enemy's rear,
were we crush him in the flank,
merciless is your crew,
who's eyes will never dimm,
on the combat orders, of comrade Stalin
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Posted: Monday, June 06, 2011 - 09:43 PM UTC
Hi Mauro
I wonder if this item could be some kind of heater stove ?
Frenchy
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Posted: Monday, June 06, 2011 - 11:25 PM UTC
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Hi Mauro
I wonder if this item could be some kind of heater stove ?
Frenchy
it could be so Frenchy
I've never seen it on western Willys and I've never seen that "case" mounted on russian staff cars.
As you said actually it could be a sort of cockpit "stove". Many russian field modifications of Willys jeep were aimed to solve the "open cockpit" problem because driwing a "cabriolet" in Russian winter couldn't be so confortable
But I don't know what it is exactly.
It would be great to have some closer pic. Otherwise I'll have to choice an exemplar without this tool
cheers
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Posted: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 - 07:12 PM UTC
So, do you have perhaps any news for me?
Thanks
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Posted: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 - 10:55 AM UTC
Hey, Mauro!
If you look closely you will notice that on the picture #1 and pics #2 & 3 are different devices. They are attached differently too. #2 and #3 - obviously some kind of hydraulic jack. #1 - looks like a case for a German gas mask (probably was used for something else). Neither one was a standard equipment. And no way it is some kind of a field stove.
BTW, the picture of the jack Ed posted is an actual wheel jack supplied with Willys or Ford GPW (most likely there are GPWs on those pictures; actual lend-lease Willys was a rarity).
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Posted: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 - 08:47 PM UTC
Thanks a million Alex!
It must be a German gas mask stovage indeed!
It would be nice to reproduce this field modification. Unfortunately i can't see how it is attached to the car.
Eventually I think I'll reproduce one of these exemplars (most likely the first one) :
I can easily see the insignas and it seems there are no "odd Russian stuff" mounted on them ....except the flowers...
Thanks again Alex. As usual you're kind and reliable
Cheers
Ps. Were the fuel tanks carried by Russian Willys, the same brought by the American jeep, weren't they?
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Posted: Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 04:33 AM UTC
Maybe I have understood what is it
Alex.
It shouldn't be a German gas stowage on the fender
In this site
http://www.ww2jeep.gportal.hu/gindex.php?pg=4483984I've found this pic:
Caption said this is a fire extinguisher
Most likely is the second one depcted in this pic
cheers
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Posted: Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 05:08 AM UTC
Hey, Mauro!
Very interesting pictures, thanks! Especially the fire extinguisher! Never seen one like that.
But back to our question and your idea: I will not say anything, I will let you to compare the shape and dimensions. And I think I will stick with my idea
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Posted: Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 05:45 AM UTC
I orginially thought it looked like a Geramn gasmask canister as well. Interesting discussion, might get me to go back and see if I missed anything interesting in my on going research on lend lease GPA's.
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Posted: Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 06:13 AM UTC
I agree about the item in picture # looking like a German gas mask canister...But what about the one in the other pics ? Looks like it's easier to tell what it is not than what is is
: it's not a jack, it's not a heater, it's not a surge tank, it's not a fire extinguisher, it's not a decontaminating apparatus...
As Sherlock Holmes says "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"
Frenchy
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Posted: Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 06:13 AM UTC
You're right Alex
it must be a gas canister indeed
thaks a million
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Posted: Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 11:31 AM UTC
Anyway, German gas canister must be held to the car with the fire extinguisher support
@Frenchy
...What about another kind of cylindrical canister mounted on the other exemplar?
cheers
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