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Posted: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - 12:11 PM UTC
Just found out perfect scale release the M1a1 usmc afghanistan? who can upload some real tank picture? Appreciated. Jay
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Posted: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - 01:07 PM UTC
Check out this thread for pics and an explanation.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - 02:04 PM UTC
Awesome! Thank you!

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Posted: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - 06:30 PM UTC
A few more pics on Defenseimagery.mil

HTH

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Posted: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 04:26 AM UTC
Do they all have the attachments for the wading stacks? Does anyone make them other than PSM, which requires you to buy 28 Euros worth of stuff to get it?
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Posted: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 05:00 AM UTC
Jason, I know that's a lot to spend, but the Dragon AIM kits are not USMC-ready OOB. So I'm not sure why you'd want the wading stacks without the other items.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 05:10 AM UTC

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A few more pics on Defenseimagery.mil

Frenchy

Man, Frenchy, that is the SLOWEST site I've seen since my Blackberry server, LOL.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 05:39 AM UTC

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Man, Frenchy, that is the SLOWEST site I've seen since my Blackberry server, LOL.


"Good things come to those who wait " Bill, and the hi-res pics are worth the wait.... but I must admit that it sometimes gets on my nerves a bit

A similar but faster site for US military pics is http://www.dvidshub.net/

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Posted: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 05:53 AM UTC

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Man, Frenchy, that is the SLOWEST site I've seen since my Blackberry server, LOL.


"Good things come to those who wait " Bill, and the hi-res pics are worth the wait.... but I must admit that it sometimes gets on my nerves a bit

Frenchy


well, didn't know that that 'connection failed' note counts as a good thing
can't open that page anymore since I switched to firefox 5 or so... sad...

Jason,
no, not all tanks use(d) that rear wading adapter. I've seen a picture or two showing tanks with the standard exhaust deflector instead, in fact the rear wading stack mount served no other purpose than the exhaust deflector, also the two side mounted attachment points were not used in Afghanistan at all, however they're included in both PSM sets. that classic exhaust deflector is also included in the dragon AIM kit. BUT, as Bill puts it, dragon's AIM does not build into a USMC tank OOB... also, to building an A-stan version you'll need the more expensive set as it comes with all the other parts needed for that version as well (like TUSK components, Afghanistan specific antennae set up etc...)

Cheers, Max

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Posted: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 07:04 AM UTC

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well, didn't know that that 'connection failed' note counts as a good thing
can't open that page anymore since I switched to firefox 5 or so... sad...


All I can say is that it works fine with Firefox 6...

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Posted: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 09:13 AM UTC

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Man, Frenchy, that is the SLOWEST site I've seen since my Blackberry server, LOL.


"Good things come to those who wait " Bill, and the hi-res pics are worth the wait.... but I must admit that it sometimes gets on my nerves a bit

Frenchy


well, didn't know that that 'connection failed' note counts as a good thing
can't open that page anymore since I switched to firefox 5 or so... sad...

Jason,
no, not all tanks use(d) that rear wading adapter. I've seen a picture or two showing tanks with the standard exhaust deflector instead, in fact the rear wading stack mount served no other purpose than the exhaust deflector, also the two side mounted attachment points were not used in Afghanistan at all, however they're included in both PSM sets. that classic exhaust deflector is also included in the dragon AIM kit. BUT, as Bill puts it, dragon's AIM does not build into a USMC tank OOB... also, to building an A-stan version you'll need the more expensive set as it comes with all the other parts needed for that version as well (like TUSK components, Afghanistan specific antennae set up etc...)

Cheers, Max



Thanks Max. I actually have the Voyager USMC update set and was trying to avoid buying anything else.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 09:14 AM UTC

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Jason, I know that's a lot to spend, but the Dragon AIM kits are not USMC-ready OOB. So I'm not sure why you'd want the wading stacks without the other items.


I bought the Voyager version when it first came out. I would have preferred the PSM set but I didn't hear about it until I ordered the Voyager set
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Posted: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 11:35 AM UTC

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to building an A-stan version you'll need the more expensive set as it comes with all the other parts needed for that version as well (like TUSK components, Afghanistan specific antennae set up etc...)


Max- You do need the extra TUSK parts to make an A'stan version. You do not need the extra antennas. They are not specific to A'stan tanks. The two extra antennas on the rear of the turret are for an ALO (Air Liasson Officer) who is riding along and needs to talk to aircraft to direct them in on targets. There are only a few tanks in each unit that have them. They are also used in Iraq as well.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 08:40 PM UTC
Jason,
I understand your point anyway, just get the PSM set and build two :D:D
other than that the PSM set contains the BRE which (looking at the part drawings of the voyager parts) is not included in the set but available seperately. also the PSM set allows you to build a pre AIM (HC) tank with the changed tail light and mounting hooks for the old EAPU. it also contains a new BFT antennae, which is IMO an enormous improvement over the dragon part...

your only other option would be to get one of the old dragon M1A1 kits which include that rear DWFK mount but OOB it doesn't fit the dragon M1A1 AIM kit and is not as accurate as the PSM part either... well, if you ask me, just use the exhaust deflector instead, I'll post the pic of that tank if I find it....


Gino,
I wasn't referring to the FO/AC antennae but rather the DUKE and BFT equipment included in the PSM set... well, other than that the FO/AC masts are a nice addition me thinks

Cheers, Max


Edit: the voyager set also lacks the umbrella stand, which all tanks use now...
however here's the pic:
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Posted: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 10:02 PM UTC
I think the PSM Kit has no Belly Armor included? I haven't seen it in the pictures from PSM.
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Posted: Thursday, September 29, 2011 - 12:01 AM UTC

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I think the PSM Kit has no Belly Armor included? I haven't seen it in the pictures from PSM.


yeah, it's because it's underneath the tank
no, seriously, it's included in the A-stan set...

Cheers, Max
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Posted: Thursday, September 29, 2011 - 12:06 AM UTC

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...Afghanistan specific antennae set up...


It guess it is the above quoted text that is throwing me off. The Duke and BFT set-up are not Afghanistan specific and are all available in other sets. The twin Dukes has been used in Iraq by USMC and US Army units as well. You don't have to have this set to find them.
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Posted: Thursday, September 29, 2011 - 02:19 AM UTC
Gino,

in fact the DUKE mounts are A-stan specific. USMC M1's in Iraq used the standard mounts seen on HMMWVs instead. I haven't seen that rectangle plate with the prolate cut out on it's lower right corner as base attachment for the DUKEs before 2011... also the A-stan Abrams were the first USMC tanks with the BFT installed I've seen...
speaking of those parts as individual pieces of equipment they shurely are not A-stan specific but the combination of all that stuff on a USMC hog makes it afghanistan specific IMO... that's why I said that...
other than that one could shurely get one of, let's say, Blast's DUKE sets instead, scratch build the mounting plates and refine dragon's BFT...


Cheers, Max
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Posted: Thursday, September 29, 2011 - 07:08 AM UTC

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You do need the extra TUSK parts to make an A'stan version.

Hi, Gino, I looked at the photos of the A'stan tanks, and perhaps I'm not understanding what you mean by TUSK other than the belly armor: there are no ERA blocks on the sides of the vehicles I've seen. Am I totally FUUBAR here?
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Posted: Thursday, September 29, 2011 - 09:20 AM UTC
Max - I will have to respectfully agree ro disagree with you on the A-stan specificness of the Duke antenna mounts, but its not really important.

Bill - TUSK is a kit of pieces that can be added or deleted as needed. The USMC only uses the belly armor, thermal sight on the TC's .50 cal, and the Loader's gun shields from the TUSK for tanks in A'stan. The other parts of TUSK are not installed because they are not needed due to the type of threats they are facing there.
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Bill - TUSK is a kit of pieces that can be added or deleted as needed. The USMC only uses the belly armor, thermal sight on the TC's .50 cal, and the Loader's gun shields from the TUSK for tanks in A'stan.

Ah, thanks, Gino. I'm slowly getting this.

Anyone have a photo of the thermal sight on the TC .50 cal and the loader's gun shields?
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Posted: Thursday, September 29, 2011 - 11:38 AM UTC
Here are the pics I linked to from another forum on the same topic. They show the parts pretty well.

Here you see the TC's thermal viewer and Loader's gunshields.


The rest show it overall.



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Posted: Thursday, September 29, 2011 - 12:12 PM UTC
Thanks, Gino, much obliged.

The new PSM set has all this and more. I will be reviewing it shortly.
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Posted: Thursday, September 29, 2011 - 02:20 PM UTC

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Jason,
I understand your point anyway, just get the PSM set and build two :D:D
other than that the PSM set contains the BRE which (looking at the part drawings of the voyager parts) is not included in the set but available seperately. also the PSM set allows you to build a pre AIM (HC) tank with the changed tail light and mounting hooks for the old EAPU. it also contains a new BFT antennae, which is IMO an enormous improvement over the dragon part...

your only other option would be to get one of the old dragon M1A1 kits which include that rear DWFK mount but OOB it doesn't fit the dragon M1A1 AIM kit and is not as accurate as the PSM part either... well, if you ask me, just use the exhaust deflector instead, I'll post the pic of that tank if I find it....


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You make a convincing argument. I think I will!
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Posted: Thursday, September 29, 2011 - 07:56 PM UTC

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Anyone have a photo of the thermal sight on the TC .50 cal and the loader's gun shields?


Bill
I guess you'll find all the pics you need in Jeff DeRosa's extensive M1A1 walkaround on Primeportal :
http://www.primeportal.net/tanks/jeff_derosa/m1a1_details/index.php?Page=1
HTH

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