Would it be possible to model a German Tiger 2 in Afganistan. A little "what if" mixed in, you could have them meeting some Japanese infantry, after they "took over the world".
I am just thinking, nothing in stone. Would that a be a neat dio or what? What if Germany took over the world and linked up with the Japanese.
~Chip :-)
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chip250
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Posted: Saturday, October 04, 2003 - 06:57 PM UTC
Foxy
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Posted: Saturday, October 04, 2003 - 07:24 PM UTC
hm, modelling happens in your mind. if you want to do something like that, just do it!
but if you're are more into historical accuracy than skip it. from that point of view its total bullshit and i'm glad such things had never taken place.
maybe you should read the novel "Fatherland" by Robert Harris. this book deals with such a scenario. the setting is in the 1960's with the battles on the eastern front still going on. the allied invasion in normandy failed and the war in europe ended. the americans withdraw and the "reichsmark" is the worlds currency.
a very interesting book.
but if you're are more into historical accuracy than skip it. from that point of view its total bullshit and i'm glad such things had never taken place.
maybe you should read the novel "Fatherland" by Robert Harris. this book deals with such a scenario. the setting is in the 1960's with the battles on the eastern front still going on. the allied invasion in normandy failed and the war in europe ended. the americans withdraw and the "reichsmark" is the worlds currency.
a very interesting book.
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Posted: Saturday, October 04, 2003 - 09:48 PM UTC
good book also read ss/gb by len deighton which deals with the occupation of britain by
germany just dont watch the fatherland film it's awful
germany just dont watch the fatherland film it's awful
chip250
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Posted: Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 03:45 PM UTC
I actually read Len's Battle of Britain. I loved it!
Thanks for the reading/ modeling suggestions!
~Chip :-)
Thanks for the reading/ modeling suggestions!
~Chip :-)
jphillips
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Posted: Monday, May 05, 2008 - 03:42 PM UTC
Great idea. Your idea, and the one about the German tank in an occupied UK in 1946, are pretty interesting. A lot of people have less imaginative "what if" ideas, such as, what if it had taken the Allies another year to defeat the Axis. Very impresssive! That's what I call out of the box thinking. And you've given me some ideas of my own.
Henk
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Posted: Monday, May 05, 2008 - 04:02 PM UTC
No, not an alien spaceship landing, but us landing on their planet..... we have a solid background of warfare, and interference in other peoples affairs, so the most likely scenario would be us invading them.
Lets face it, if they are already here, and appearently have been soon for some time, they can't be aggresively minded, or they would have wiped us out by now.
"What goes around, comes around..."
Lets face it, if they are already here, and appearently have been soon for some time, they can't be aggresively minded, or they would have wiped us out by now.
"What goes around, comes around..."
jphillips
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Posted: Monday, May 05, 2008 - 04:09 PM UTC
I think you're right. If aliens were technologically advanced enough to fly such a long distance through space to get here, they would probably be advanced enough militarily to exterminate us or (hopefully) merely conquer us, if they were an aggressive species.
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Posted: Monday, May 05, 2008 - 04:12 PM UTC
By the way, if you guys are into alternate history and alien spaceships, you might want to read Harry Turtledove's World War series. They'll keep you on the edge of your seat.
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Henk
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Posted: Monday, May 05, 2008 - 04:34 PM UTC
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Um... Tigers..? Afganistan..? Can we keep this thread on topic if possible?
This is a factual based 'What if'. An extrapolation of historical events. Let's not talk about aliens, the return of Atlantis, giant women or Godzilla.
M'kay?
I think this thread is as 'on topic' as it could be... it is after all a what if question.
If you want to discuss the likely hood of the appearance of the Tiger 2 in Afghanistan meeting Japanese infantry, you can't disprove the possible involvement of alien forces.... can you?
May the force be with you
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Henk
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Posted: Monday, May 05, 2008 - 05:05 PM UTC
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Yup. The extrapolation of actual events tends to preclude speculation on fantastical or imaginary constucts.
Extrapolating actual events rules out Germany 'taking over the world', as it has been proven beyond doubt that it is impossible for one nation to 'take over the world'. History has seen plenty of failed attempts to this. If you are moving into 'what if' territory, than (by nature of what if) the involvement of aliens has to be considered.
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Would it be possible to model a German Tiger 2 in Afganistan. A little "what if" mixed in, you could have them meeting some Japanese infantry, after they "took over the world".
I am just thinking, nothing in stone. Would that a be a neat dio or what? What if Germany took over the world and linked up with the Japanese.
~Chip :-)
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If you want to argue that Churchill and Hitler were actually the same person and that the second world war was just a way for him to work out his inner demons and come to a decision on what colour the curtains in his Berlin apartment should be, that's your choice, but the title of this thread is 'German Tiger 2 In Afganistan'.
Now that would be an interesting thesis... after all, have they ever been seen together?
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Posted: Monday, May 05, 2008 - 05:08 PM UTC
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It would be nice if replies could be framed by the original poster's subject... Unless that idea is an alien concept to you...
Well put!
Chip, I think it would be a fun diorama. If I did it, I think the Tiger would be in some variation of an Afrika Korps pattern, or something akin to Iraqi or Iranian armor.
The Japanese infantry, I'd like to see them with Sino-Teutonic lend-lease MP 40s and Panzerfausts. Maybe a banzai cheer atop the tank with their allies?
I've thought of modeling a scene like this since the Allies & Axis game where my Japanese finished off the United Kingdom in South Africa! Just like the Third Reich game where my French Army took Berlin in late 1943...
...the dice never lie!!!
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Lets face it, if they are already here, and appearently have been soon for some time, they can't be aggresively minded, or they would have wiped us out by now.
Unless they got here, observed us, got skairt, and resumed slinking around in the shadows like the pathetic little craven bugs they are! I dare them to show their buggy-faced little rubbery faces down here, this close to Roswell!!
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Posted: Monday, May 05, 2008 - 05:39 PM UTC
Sorry, can't resist.......
In the immortal words of Bluto Blutarsky in Animal House.....
"Nothing is over until we decide it is. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO6LVE_P-A8&eurl=http://www.burntorangenation.com/2008/4/14/154011/830
So, why pick Afghanistan? There are much better places.
The Japanese and the Germans somewhat agreed to split the USA and Canada after they had won the war....what a better diorama than a German Tiger II at Hollywood and Vine......and Japanese occupation "tourist" soldiers getting photos taken next to the Tiger II and German crew.
Or how about a Japanese light AFV passing a German Tiger II bogged down after it slid into a rice paddy in Japanese occupied China.....the German tank crew is sunbathing on top of the Tiger.
In the immortal words of Bluto Blutarsky in Animal House.....
"Nothing is over until we decide it is. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO6LVE_P-A8&eurl=http://www.burntorangenation.com/2008/4/14/154011/830
So, why pick Afghanistan? There are much better places.
The Japanese and the Germans somewhat agreed to split the USA and Canada after they had won the war....what a better diorama than a German Tiger II at Hollywood and Vine......and Japanese occupation "tourist" soldiers getting photos taken next to the Tiger II and German crew.
Or how about a Japanese light AFV passing a German Tiger II bogged down after it slid into a rice paddy in Japanese occupied China.....the German tank crew is sunbathing on top of the Tiger.
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jphillips
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Posted: Monday, May 05, 2008 - 05:53 PM UTC
It's unarguably true that some alternate histories are more plausible than others. A Second World War that continued into 1946 but still ended in an Allied victory is more believable than one in which the Axis gained the victory. And either scenario is probably easier to swallow than an invasion of little green men. But if I modeled a "what if" subject I would at least try to write some kind of short, halfway sensible backstory, telling how things came to be, such as, "Hitler never launched Operation Barbarossa in 1941, but instead sent his armies to north Africa, to fight under Rommel. And Rommel drove the British out of Egypt and Palestine, took the Suez Canal, and rolled up into Iran, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia, to seize the oilfields." Could this really have happened? It's doubtful, isn't it? But I think the whole point of this is to use your imagination, and have fun. Isn't it?
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Posted: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 03:24 AM UTC
Here's some ideas:
-Sherman in Tokio
- Tiger in London
- Pershing in Moscow
- Panther in New York
The possibilities are plentiful, if one starts distorting history in a fantasical way. No need for Aliens.
Or even more into the realm of what if that is close to reality, German tanks on the beaches of Normandy, cutting down the invading forces, as per the idea Rommel had.
Or Panthers victorious in Antwerp, after the succesful conclusion of Wacht am Rhein.
One doesn't need to get completely wacky to get into What if territory.
-Sherman in Tokio
- Tiger in London
- Pershing in Moscow
- Panther in New York
The possibilities are plentiful, if one starts distorting history in a fantasical way. No need for Aliens.
Or even more into the realm of what if that is close to reality, German tanks on the beaches of Normandy, cutting down the invading forces, as per the idea Rommel had.
Or Panthers victorious in Antwerp, after the succesful conclusion of Wacht am Rhein.
One doesn't need to get completely wacky to get into What if territory.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 04:00 AM UTC
Hi
You can model whatever you like and have fun so long as you don't title it or describe it as being factual in any way. The fighting continuing onto the Moon if you want to. The only limit is your imagination when creating those types of models.
As for Mr adroberts objecting to certain posts I think we can all take this thread in a light hearted way as the subject matter originally asked about in the first post is as far from reality as aliens.
Germany was doomed the moment Hitler and his cronies made the decision to invade Russia. So the "what if's" would need to start before this point and change that decision.
I've always liked the "what if" after the end of hostilities with Germany the Allies in seeing the Red Army as it's know, not giving back the countries it liberated, joined forces with Germany to push the back into Russia.
Only problem with that is that in reality is that after the war Germany was in little condition to enter into such a task having followed Hitler's mad orders and more or less fought till nothing was left.
So model what you like, you don't need anybody's permission.
Alan
You can model whatever you like and have fun so long as you don't title it or describe it as being factual in any way. The fighting continuing onto the Moon if you want to. The only limit is your imagination when creating those types of models.
As for Mr adroberts objecting to certain posts I think we can all take this thread in a light hearted way as the subject matter originally asked about in the first post is as far from reality as aliens.
Germany was doomed the moment Hitler and his cronies made the decision to invade Russia. So the "what if's" would need to start before this point and change that decision.
I've always liked the "what if" after the end of hostilities with Germany the Allies in seeing the Red Army as it's know, not giving back the countries it liberated, joined forces with Germany to push the back into Russia.
Only problem with that is that in reality is that after the war Germany was in little condition to enter into such a task having followed Hitler's mad orders and more or less fought till nothing was left.
So model what you like, you don't need anybody's permission.
Alan
alanmac
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Posted: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 04:04 AM UTC
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Jason Bobrowich
" Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour?"
Excuse me ?
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Posted: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 04:14 AM UTC
Build what you want, where you want, and how you want. As long as you are happy with the end product that is all that really matters. With that said I would suggest you opt for a more realistic scenario, however build away and have fun.
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404NotFound
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Posted: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 04:51 AM UTC
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You can model whatever you like and have fun so long as you don't title it or describe it as being factual in any way. The fighting continuing onto the Moon if you want to.
Google "Vladimir Terziski." He'd tell you that any such "What If?" modeling would actually depict historical reality....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nekoewen/2364299291/
http://greyfalcon.us/restored/German%20Moon%20Base%20Alpha.htm
http://www.eyepod.org/Nazi-Disc-Photos.html
Enjoy!
alanmac
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Posted: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 05:20 AM UTC
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Saving Private Ryan is a work of fiction but is set in a realistic time and place.
and inspired by a true story of four brothers who fought and of three who died, two on D-Day and one in the Pacific. The remaining brother was taken out of the campaign.
I've seen Animal House, but it was years ago and I don't seem to remember it all that well. It makes sense in that context now, considering my overall recollection of the film was most everybody out of their heads most of the time. In the case of most, certainly JB I understand this wasn't acting.
I think despite the main policy and aim of this site is to discuss, help each other and share information on all aspects of military modelling I think there is room to go a little "off target", after all we often use other hobbies, areas of interest to bring into this one, and even aliens fighting can be seen as touching on military even if works of fantasy.
Alan
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Posted: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 02:42 PM UTC
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Quoted TextJason Bobrowich
" Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour?"
Excuse me ?
Ha ha....the movie Animal House is a classic.......are you kidding that you don't know that movie quote?...and the movie has one of the greatest "what if" armoured vehicles of all times.......
The DEATHMOBILE!!!
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