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AAVP7A1 RAM/RS (1/35 Hobbyboss)
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Posted: Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 09:31 AM UTC
Nobody with feedback? What is it that im doing wrong ?
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Posted: Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 09:38 AM UTC
Boris, the detailing is really sweet. Makes me want to build another.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 08:37 AM UTC
Thanks Bill,
yours looks amazing, all the stowage makes it look fantastic.
what do you think about my dust effect?
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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 10:21 AM UTC
Thank you, Boris, it is your interior detailing that made me want to do another "tuna boat" so much I ordered the new Legends stowage set today- even though I don't have the kit yet! Is that crazy or what?

But I love the HB kits, and you've made a really good kit great.

I like your dust job. I would suggest a little bit of straight pigment, since yours looks like it rained recently and needs a bit more "grit." But I tend to go overboard on dust because the in-country photos show vehicles that are really dirty.

And I checked the Voyager website which claims their upgrade set will fit either HB kit.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 10:27 AM UTC
Looks good Boris. The weathering looks good. But around the barrels and the turret in general a little more weathering is need due to lubing of the weapons with CLP and LSAT. Also you might want to add maybe some MK19 casings and water puddles and MRE trash. I had my camelback around my sight with the drink tube go into the turret. Same for around the the driver station and TC. My driver always kept the 3/4 breaker bar next to his hatch so he could hop down and check the suspension every we got to stop. if you have you cargo hatches open you could add like sand bags. My grunts that i carrierd add some. Under the front of the vehicle would have all of dings and dents that would gouge the hull and leave alummin streaks. make sure the track has little to no rust thats from driving on the hard ball roads. Plus you can remove all but maybe 2 or 3 track pads on both sides. those thing were everywere. you would drive down the road and the vehicle in front would be spitting the out. As for storage the only thing inside my vehicle was ammo and some personal gear. everything went outside. which to this day boogles my mind. if we got gased the MREs and water jugs would be contaminited. Our BN CO told use to put our packs in black trash bags and stow the outside the vehicle. The bags were to protect our gear in case of gas attack. Looking forward to seeing your track complete.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 10:49 AM UTC

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I had my camelback around my sight.


Say again?

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My driver always kept the 3/4 breaker bar next to his hatch.


The WHAT??

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Under the front of the vehicle would have all of dings and dents that would gouge the hull and leave aluminum streaks.


I'm def going to do that on the next one, thanks!

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You can remove all but maybe 2 or 3 track pads on both sides. Those thing were everywhere. You would drive down the road and the vehicle in front would be spitting the out.


That's really helpful, too. As a matter of fact, the track pads are a major PITA on the HB kit, which is why I opted for the Friul metal tracks on my build.

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Our BN CO told use to put our packs in black trash bags and stow the outside the vehicle. The bags were to protect our gear in case of gas attack.


I have NEVER seen a photo of that, but it's really fascinating just the same. Was that common?
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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 10:54 PM UTC
Thank you bill.
that set looks amazing. when I will build another one, there gonna be a lot of stowage on it for sure.
I will see what I can do about the dust.
Did you seal your pigments with a matte coat? or do you have any experience with fixing pigments with clear coats?


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Looks good Boris. The weathering looks good. But around the barrels and the turret in general a little more weathering is need due to lubing of the weapons with CLP and LSAT. Also you might want to add maybe some MK19 casings and water puddles and MRE trash. I had my camelback around my sight with the drink tube go into the turret. Same for around the the driver station and TC. My driver always kept the 3/4 breaker bar next to his hatch so he could hop down and check the suspension every we got to stop. if you have you cargo hatches open you could add like sand bags. My grunts that i carrierd add some. Under the front of the vehicle would have all of dings and dents that would gouge the hull and leave alummin streaks. make sure the track has little to no rust thats from driving on the hard ball roads. Plus you can remove all but maybe 2 or 3 track pads on both sides. those thing were everywere. you would drive down the road and the vehicle in front would be spitting the out. As for storage the only thing inside my vehicle was ammo and some personal gear. everything went outside. which to this day boogles my mind. if we got gased the MREs and water jugs would be contaminited. Our BN CO told use to put our packs in black trash bags and stow the outside the vehicle. The bags were to protect our gear in case of gas attack. Looking forward to seeing your track complete.



Thanks Slayer, a few questions for you, so I can make my model more realistic:
- you said more weathering near the turret and barrels, sure no problem, but what kind of weathering? like oil stains etc? do you have any pics?

- you talk about water puddles, where would they be on a real model?


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I had my camelback around my sight with the drink tube go into the turret. Same for around the the driver station and TC. My driver always kept the 3/4 breaker bar next to his hatch so he could hop down and check the suspension every we got to stop



I from the Netherlands, and dont quite get this, could you be more specific and talk in easier to understand language (for me )


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Under the front of the vehicle would have all of dings and dents that would gouge the hull and leave alummin streaks


Thats good to know, do you have any pictures?



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Plus you can remove all but maybe 2 or 3 track pads on both sides.



Thats funny to hear, you are talking about the rubber pads on the tracks I guess? the ones on the bottom (that touch the surface) or the one that guide the wheels?



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As for storage the only thing inside my vehicle was ammo and some personal gear. everything went outside. which to this day boogles my mind. if we got gased the MREs and water jugs would be contaminited. Our BN CO told use to put our packs in black trash bags and stow the outside the vehicle. The bags were to protect our gear in case of gas attack. Looking forward to seeing your track complete.


Thats interesting! so there happen to be no bags or coolers inside the AAVP? not even a few?

thanks for your great feedback Slayer!
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Posted: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 - 12:40 AM UTC
Bill and Borris...

Untill slayer chimes in, ill decode for you!
(YAT-YAS Slayer!!)

-- camelback/ sight... the camel back is those 1-1/2 foot long pouch things that hold water with a long drinking tube. Origionaly were for athletics (biking mainly), untill some industrious Marines realized they beat the hell out of lugging 2 canteens and alowed you to carry about 3 times the water, on your back, always available, hands free via the tube. Took a while to be "authorized and only if in black", but then the camelback folks came out with cammo covers...and then with the ILBE and MOLLE systems it was incorperated officialy as part of the gear.

the sight he speaks of is actully the sight housing on top the turret..the box thing directly in front of the turret hatch. Sling the camelback strap around that and dangle the hose down into the hatch, where the end would come perfectly at rest right around the sight reticle, which is where your face would be if tucked down in the hatch.

3/4 breaker bar. that would be the 3/4" drive, large socket wrench (the type without the ratchet head). Crew would keep one handy with socket attached at end of 18" extension. Each stop they would hop out and check every bolt (or as many as possible) on all the road wheels and suspension mounts. The vibration of operating over hard terrain/roads would work the bolts loose over time. If they came loose, hit a good bump and you would loose a roadwheel or whole suspension arm! seen it happen

the dings and dents he speaks of on the hull would be right where the angled front meets the flat portion of the lower hull. If you want to get really realistic, take a small file and put a couple of gouges, lengh wise (imagine rocks and such hitting the front and draging backwards as the vehicle moved over them). Not too deep...just enough to add some texture. Paint silver or light grey for older ones(NO rust..aluminum doesnt rust!)

I wasnt in OIF, so Slayers mention of the stowage is a interesting detail! The plastic bag was probally wraped around the pack, then the whole thing slipped into the pack cover for stowage, as the garbage bag wouldnt have lasted 5 minutes on the outside. At least that is my guess (and what I would have done)

good looking build Borris...keep it up!

BTW Bill...there may be more AAVP detail items on the way..

YAT-YAS
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Posted: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 - 01:06 AM UTC
Oh yeah... the CLP stains around the weapons..

CLP (Cleaner-Lubicator-Protectant) is a oily liquid that gets sprayed generously in the working components of the weapons, especally the MK19 and M2HB. This keeps them fuctioning and (hopefully) from jamming during sustained firing. We tend to be more generous during combat/heavy firing than when just hanging out on the range, so the excess that would be worked out of the weapon during firing would drip down and cover surfaces below the weapon. The M2 is an internal mount (inside the turret) while the MK19 is outside the turret (within that box like projection the barrel is poking out of..the ammo feeds into the side of the "box" the MK19 sits in).

so for CLP stains, there may be a little on the right side where the M2HB has sprayed some out during firing, but mostly the staining will be below the MK19 cradle (box), including the hull.

The CLP is about the same color as new engine oil (a very light caramel color). But being oily in nature, dust and dirt will stick to it pretty quick, so the drips will collect dust, making the CLP stains look like wet, oily dirt/dust, darker than the "dry" dust on the rest of your model.

Im sure Slayer can add some more info...its been 10 years since ive been on the AAVP, but I bet I could still hop in and drive/shoot the beast! Boresight and all.

Borris...one more item, It might be too late!!

Your water jet deflectors in the rear should be CLOSED!!!

those operate automaticly depending on the mode selected. Only 3 modes are available: Water, Land, Water-tracks. The only time the jets are open is if 1) they are not working properly or 2) you are in one of the water modes.

In both water modes, the cooling fan for the engine turns off, and the air inlets are sealed. Unless the vehicle is in the water, the engine will overheat within 10 minutes or so. So if you are doing a OIF build (mostly on land), the vehicle will be in LAND mode, so the cooling fan is on and vents opened..which means water jets are OFF/ and CLOSED.

I see this so much on AAVP models.. track is in the middle of the desert and its sitting in Water mode... maybe if they put some smoke and steam comming out of the hatches, but most folks want their model in operational readyness...so having the water jets open is totaly wrong.

fix it if you can!

Andy
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Posted: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 - 03:26 AM UTC
Wow, Andy, that's a GOLDMINE of information, thanks!

Boris, the thing about pigments is they are meant to look like dust, so sealing them (or using MIG's fixative) is that it gives the model a "wet" look. My final coat of pigment is always left uncoated.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 - 08:28 AM UTC
@ Andy,

Wow man, thats some really usefull info there, love to see that you describe some experiences aswell! thanks for that.
I will definitely do something with it, but the coming weeks I am on holiday (till 8th Aug) after that I will pick up the build and process your tips.
Do you happen to have any pictures for me that show you specific descriptions?

About the water jet deflectors, thats a good point, well they are stil moveable, so I can close them easily.
so no problem on that side, only thing I have to do is weather those deflectors like the rest of the vehicle. thanks for the correction!

@ Bill

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Boris, the thing about pigments is they are meant to look like dust, so sealing them (or using MIG's fixative) is that it gives the model a "wet" look. My final coat of pigment is always left uncoated.



Yeah thats true, I will try it anyway on the bottom of the AAVP, see how it goes. The big disadvantage of not sealing it is that you cant grab the model, or you will see traces.
but on the other hand, if the coat makes the dust look bad, theres nothing to do about it.


Thanks foor the feedback guys
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Posted: Monday, August 13, 2012 - 11:12 PM UTC
I was wondering if anyone knows where the fuel cap of the AAVP-7A1 is located?
I need this for my fuel stains.

thanks!
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Posted: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 12:53 AM UTC

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I was wondering if anyone knows where the fuel cap of the AAVP-7A1 is located?
I need this for my fuel stains.

thanks!



left side, between the two cargo hatch supports. Its under the open hatch on your model. There is a round colulm that sits about 6" high, and the fuel filler cap is on top.

note that the spilled fuel would collect dust, so would end up just looking like an extra dusty streak, slightly wet (depending on how long ago refueling happened)
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Posted: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 02:10 AM UTC

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I was wondering if anyone knows where the fuel cap of the AAVP-7A1 is located?
I need this for my fuel stains.

thanks!



left side, between the two cargo hatch supports. Its under the open hatch on your model. There is a round colulm that sits about 6" high, and the fuel filler cap is on top.

note that the spilled fuel would collect dust, so would end up just looking like an extra dusty streak, slightly wet (depending on how long ago refueling happened)
Andy



Just as expected, thanks for your confirmation Andy!
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Posted: Saturday, September 01, 2012 - 01:36 AM UTC
At the moment I finished the build of the model itself, the last step, adding the road wheels and the tracks is done. I added some spilt fuel stains to the AAVP-7A1 as well. Some more stains were added underneath the MK-19 grenade launcher, those stains would come from the weapon when it is fired in real life.

The following four pictures show the model from four angles:









 

Here you can see the added fuel stains



 

The oily liquid from the MK-19 is visible here:


 

Finally some shots of the completed suspension system of the AAVP-7A1






All left to do is create a diorama / base and finish all the equipment that will fit inside the AAVP-7A1.

I would like to hear some suggestions from you guys about the base. I plan on creating a small asphalt diorama, because I already have a lot of sand diorama' s. how do you think about that?

Suggestions and corrections are very welcome.

Thanks for watching,

Boris
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 05:48 AM UTC
I finally finished the model! here what I did since the last update:
- Added the suspension and tracks
- Added spilled fuel
- Added spilt lubricant off the MK-19 grenade launcher
- Added the periscopes
- Painted the figures and some stowage
- Created a setup for the diorama / base

The next five pictures show the finished AAVP-7A1 from all angles:










Here you can see the spilled weapon lubricate underneath the MK-19



The spilled fuel is clearly visible


A close-up of the turret



A nice detail shot from the rear of the AAVP-7A1


Ok, the next thing I would like your opinion on. I created a setup for the diorama. some things to know upfront:

Ok, the next thing I would like your opinion on. I created a setup for the diorama. some things to know upfront:
- The red hatched areas are supposed to be sand
- The unhatched area is a asphalt crossing of four roads.
- the crossing is blocked from three sides, with Jersey Barriers (yet to build) and Bastion Cages
- The AAVP-7A1 is supposed to provide the checkpoint with supplies for the not seen base behind the not blocked part of the crossing.

What do you guys think about this? any advise or corrections are very welcome!
I am currently waiting on the Jersey Barriers and some supplies, so they are not shown.
check the following pictures and let me hear you about it














Well, that's it for now! help me by sharing your opinion on the diorama.
thanks for watching!

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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 09:36 AM UTC
Bill,

Wow, love your work, I have a aavp7a1 myself that wife got me for fathers day, still havnt got the bottle to do it in fear I mess it up lol crazy I know but when I see others do these wicked machines it makes me want to do mine. Your duo looks well thought out and I look forward to seeing it completed, and I do like all the little extra touches you have done, over spilled fuel etc, I guess its the simple points like these that make a good model move up a level.
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 03:31 AM UTC

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Bill,

Wow, love your work, I have a aavp7a1 myself that wife got me for fathers day, still havnt got the bottle to do it in fear I mess it up lol crazy I know but when I see others do these wicked machines it makes me want to do mine. Your duo looks well thought out and I look forward to seeing it completed, and I do like all the little extra touches you have done, over spilled fuel etc, I guess its the simple points like these that make a good model move up a level.



Thanks man! glad you like it!
great you got one as well! you will have a great time building it for sure, good luck with that
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 04:19 AM UTC
I'm purchasing one of these, because of your build. I plan on using ET photo-etch and am trying to find replacement barrels for it.
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 05:00 AM UTC

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I'm purchasing one of these, because of your build. I plan on using ET photo-etch and am trying to find replacement barrels for it.



Thats nice to hear!
Please contact me via personal message, I want to talk about something with you and I cant seem to message you.
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 10:16 AM UTC
That AAVP is so cool looking thing If I can suggest one thing - I am missing some drinks/food stuff in the interior - maybe some sand weathering on the sides (mud/sand traces from the tracks)... But even without it it is nice lookig model! Keep photos coming!
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 04:30 PM UTC
Hi all , looks fantastic , I have the AAVP-7A1 ( with mounting bosses , Hobby Boss kit number 82413 to build .

Enjoying your build , and now a diorama , coooool .

This is a perfect reference for me , and with the links , thanks for posting

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Posted: Sunday, October 28, 2012 - 03:13 AM UTC
Great work Boris!! I like the diorama concept.
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Posted: Sunday, October 28, 2012 - 03:42 AM UTC

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That AAVP is so cool looking thing If I can suggest one thing - I am missing some drinks/food stuff in the interior - maybe some sand weathering on the sides (mud/sand traces from the tracks)... But even without it it is nice lookig model! Keep photos coming!



Thanks Pavel! I do have coolers and pet bottles. I got other stuff as well. You will see at the end
I will consider the addition to the side of the model.


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Hi all , looks fantastic , I have the AAVP-7A1 ( with mounting bosses , Hobby Boss kit number 82413 to build .

Enjoying your build , and now a diorama , coooool .

This is a perfect reference for me , and with the links , thanks for posting


Thanks mate!
Good luck with your model


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Great work Boris!! I like the diorama concept.



Thanks Brent! glad you like it.
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