I don't really lose any sleep over measurement discrepancies.. since I don't walk around with a ruler measuring my kits
But seriously, to me a good kit is one that is reasonably easy to build (so that the build process is enjoyable) and looks good (Looks the part) when it's done.. and the Kinetic kit seems to fit the bill.
Like I said.. we have the Panda kit for the super detail modelers... and the Kinetic kit for the "fun-build" modelers so basically, we have something for everyone
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Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2012 - 02:42 AM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2012 - 03:16 AM UTC
Nice work!!!
I started mine last night. The steering is made to be workable, but I am probably going to glue it. It's a little tricky
I started mine last night. The steering is made to be workable, but I am probably going to glue it. It's a little tricky
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Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2012 - 03:23 AM UTC
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I don't really lose any sleep over measurement discrepancies.. since I don't walk around with a ruler measuring my kits
Like I said.. we have the Panda kit for the super detail modelers... and the Kinetic kit for the "fun-build" modelers so basically, we have something for everyone
My issue isn't with how it is off in scale or details, it is with the price. For the quality level it has (or doesn't have), the price should be less, by quite a bit, not slightly more than the far superior Panda kit. I don't think you are getting what you pay for, but that is just my opinion. I would rather (and did) spend my money (less of it, mind you) on the better kit.
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Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2012 - 03:39 AM UTC
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Quoted TextI don't really lose any sleep over measurement discrepancies.. since I don't walk around with a ruler measuring my kits
Like I said.. we have the Panda kit for the super detail modelers... and the Kinetic kit for the "fun-build" modelers so basically, we have something for everyone
My issue isn't with how it is off in scale or details, it is with the price. For the quality level it has (or doesn't have), the price should be less, by quite a bit, not slightly more than the far superior Panda kit. I don't think you are getting what you pay for, but that is just my opinion. I would rather (and did) spend my money (less of it, mind you) on the better kit.
Dear Gino,
Yes, we got it. And we figure out your point, we know we need to provide quality level vs price performance. Especially for US pricing, the different distribution channel will have different markup.
Base on your comment, we have send retooling instruction to the factory for the coming M109A2. To provide better/crispy outlook on the detail.
We take all comments, complains into the improvement process for future kit.
Regards
Raymond
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Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2012 - 03:47 AM UTC
Ray,
It is good to hear a manufacturer listening to the consumer. I am glad there are other options for new kits out there. A new company making modern vehciles is always welcomed. It is good to hear that the M109A2 kit will be an improvement. I look forward to seeing a new M109 series.
Don't get me wrong, I wish Kinetic well and hope to see great things from you.
P.S.: Will the M109A2 have an interior, that would really set it apart? Also, an M992A2 to go with it would be awesome as well.
It is good to hear a manufacturer listening to the consumer. I am glad there are other options for new kits out there. A new company making modern vehciles is always welcomed. It is good to hear that the M109A2 kit will be an improvement. I look forward to seeing a new M109 series.
Don't get me wrong, I wish Kinetic well and hope to see great things from you.
P.S.: Will the M109A2 have an interior, that would really set it apart? Also, an M992A2 to go with it would be awesome as well.
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Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2012 - 05:27 AM UTC
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Ray,
It is good to hear a manufacturer listening to the consumer. I am glad there are other options for new kits out there. A new company making modern vehciles is always welcomed. It is good to hear that the M109A2 kit will be an improvement. I look forward to seeing a new M109 series.
Don't get me wrong, I wish Kinetic well and hope to see great things from you.
P.S.: Will the M109A2 have an interior, that would really set it apart? Also, an M992A2 to go with it would be awesome as well.
The M109A2 will not have interior. But we have been working with several others AM company to produce the resin interior.
Regards
Raymond
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Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2012 - 05:47 AM UTC
Just keep making modern vehicles.. and making improvements as you go along.. and modelers will be happy with your products
By the way, will the Maxx Pro be released sometime this year, or is it still in early development stages?
Hisham
By the way, will the Maxx Pro be released sometime this year, or is it still in early development stages?
Hisham
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Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2012 - 07:50 AM UTC
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Just keep making modern vehicles.. and making improvements as you go along.. and modelers will be happy with your products
By the way, will the Maxx Pro be released sometime this year, or is it still in early development stages?
Hisham
In 2012 time frame for sure.
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Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2012 - 12:21 PM UTC
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Quoted TextRick - its a contender for the TAPV project..that alone should be the reason it wins the bid
I hope you guys get the Textron TAPV contender. Anything is better than the M-ATV.
yah, but there's no model kit of the Textron TAPV. I thought I could convert a Guardian..but its just too different. Somehow, I think we will end up with the Force Protection Timberwolf.
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Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2012 - 03:56 PM UTC
I have now both Kinetic and Panda kits side by side on my desk, and by no means can assure that one is actually better
Both have accuracy issues, and I believe its quite subjective what are the greatest or more important.
On one hand you have the "simplified" Kinetic kit which appears to be light years ahead in buildability, on the other hand you find Panda's offer with far more PE and what I feel is in some subassemblies a bit of overengineering, that ironically doesn't mean better fit or far cleaner lines, not to talk about missing details
Flashes? Yes, on both kits, at least in those I got
Measurement and/or shape issues? Yes, again in both kits and you can find elsewhere lists of them
My feeling here is that Kinetic kit is for those modellers looking for a fun and not so hard build, that as always gives room for improvement if you feel the need, and that will survive to measurement unaccuracies. And Panda's model is for those modellers who like "wrestling" with a kit to get a right fit here and there, and anyway will end adding a number of AM parts to get the job done. All this said by a guy -me- who is decided to get a decent result of an old Trumpeter Type 79 whatever it takes.... so I'm not pointing my finger on anybody
I'll build Kinetic's one first, and then I'll see when I get the determination to go for Panda's one -if it actually ever happens-
Just my 2cts
Both have accuracy issues, and I believe its quite subjective what are the greatest or more important.
On one hand you have the "simplified" Kinetic kit which appears to be light years ahead in buildability, on the other hand you find Panda's offer with far more PE and what I feel is in some subassemblies a bit of overengineering, that ironically doesn't mean better fit or far cleaner lines, not to talk about missing details
Flashes? Yes, on both kits, at least in those I got
Measurement and/or shape issues? Yes, again in both kits and you can find elsewhere lists of them
My feeling here is that Kinetic kit is for those modellers looking for a fun and not so hard build, that as always gives room for improvement if you feel the need, and that will survive to measurement unaccuracies. And Panda's model is for those modellers who like "wrestling" with a kit to get a right fit here and there, and anyway will end adding a number of AM parts to get the job done. All this said by a guy -me- who is decided to get a decent result of an old Trumpeter Type 79 whatever it takes.... so I'm not pointing my finger on anybody
I'll build Kinetic's one first, and then I'll see when I get the determination to go for Panda's one -if it actually ever happens-
Just my 2cts
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Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2012 - 06:57 PM UTC
Really interesting input Hugo. You may have me change my mind about a future choice.
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Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2012 - 11:29 PM UTC
Thanks for that comparison Hugo.
I think you've summed up the different type of modellers quite nicely also! :-)
I think you've summed up the different type of modellers quite nicely also! :-)
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Posted: Friday, February 03, 2012 - 10:58 AM UTC
You're welcome guys!
I did not try to bias anyone here, just gave my thaughts about both kits, which I feel are aimed to different kind of modellers
In the end, its really great for us, modern stuff fans, to have this kind of choices, I'm from the era when the only "modern" tanks were Tamiya's Leopard 1, Chieftain, T-62 and so on...
Happy modelling to everyone!
I did not try to bias anyone here, just gave my thaughts about both kits, which I feel are aimed to different kind of modellers
In the end, its really great for us, modern stuff fans, to have this kind of choices, I'm from the era when the only "modern" tanks were Tamiya's Leopard 1, Chieftain, T-62 and so on...
Happy modelling to everyone!