Greetings all
I am abpout to partake in my very first armor kit, the 1/35 Tamiya Panther A (early I think. I have a couple of questions first the kit. I am thinking of building this kit as one of the first panthers in Italy as this kit has no zimmerit. My quest is the exhausts in the back, I have been searching high and low to see if the Panthers in Italy with 1.Abt/4 Pnzr Rgt had only 2 pipes or 4 can anyone help on that. Second I have been beating my head in reading posts and trying to find videos of correct paint schemes. I think i am just going to do the basic yellow-tanish color only with that Red-rustry abse color is this correct or were they Panzer Grey under. and lastly on the oil filter stuff I dont know if I will try it but, wont the mineral spirt or white spirit eat the future coat that protects the paint?? Thanks In advance.
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Thundergrunt
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Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 - 04:13 PM UTC
Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 - 05:23 PM UTC
Eugene you have asked a lot more questions here than I suspect you realise, I suggest that as well as your question here you join the Panther campaign (here is a link to the thread). It does not matter what your skill level is as we take all comers here at Armorama and due to the subject of this campaign there is a lot of help available which you may find of help.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 - 06:12 PM UTC
the Panther's came out in mid '43 if im not mistaken. at that time, i believe they had gone away from the panzer grey as a base color. someone please correct me if im wrong.
as for the exhaust; i havent seen any with 4 pipes. they were only a dual pipe from what i have seen.
when applying filters, if you do base coats and clear coats properly, you really wont have to worry too much about thinners lifting paint. acrylics can hold up, for the most part against enamel thinners and vice versa. when doing your paint, you will have at least 2 or 3 clear coats that "should be" applied by that point. so, for the thinners to take affect, there is going to be quite a bit that will have to happen for it to take any affect. when applying filters and washes, you wont be doing any scrubbing, so that is another thing that will help. since you are just applying layers of colored thinner, it should dry just as you lay it.
i recommend taking a look at one of the stickies in the painting section listed as "finishing and weathering sequence"-
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/140764&page=1
as for the exhaust; i havent seen any with 4 pipes. they were only a dual pipe from what i have seen.
when applying filters, if you do base coats and clear coats properly, you really wont have to worry too much about thinners lifting paint. acrylics can hold up, for the most part against enamel thinners and vice versa. when doing your paint, you will have at least 2 or 3 clear coats that "should be" applied by that point. so, for the thinners to take affect, there is going to be quite a bit that will have to happen for it to take any affect. when applying filters and washes, you wont be doing any scrubbing, so that is another thing that will help. since you are just applying layers of colored thinner, it should dry just as you lay it.
i recommend taking a look at one of the stickies in the painting section listed as "finishing and weathering sequence"-
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/140764&page=1
panzerbob01
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Posted: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 - 10:14 AM UTC
Jesse;
Best of my knowledge, no Panthers were "factory-painted" in "Dunkelgrau RAL 7021" - Panther production came along after the shift to base-coating in Dunkelgelb RAL 7028 (regs for which started up ca FEB 1943), so no gray Panthers to be had!
Cheers!
Bob
Best of my knowledge, no Panthers were "factory-painted" in "Dunkelgrau RAL 7021" - Panther production came along after the shift to base-coating in Dunkelgelb RAL 7028 (regs for which started up ca FEB 1943), so no gray Panthers to be had!
Cheers!
Bob
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Posted: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 - 10:48 AM UTC
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thats what i thought. but, im no expert in colors or vehiclesJesse;
Best of my knowledge, no Panthers were "factory-painted" in "Dunkelgrau RAL 7021" - Panther production came along after the shift to base-coating in Dunkelgelb RAL 7028 (regs for which started up ca FEB 1943), so no gray Panthers to be had!
Cheers!
Bob
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Posted: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 - 10:55 AM UTC
IMHO For the dunklegelb, you may still be able to get hold of Behr Ultra Light Copper 310D-6 house paint. This is very close to dunklegelb and a sample quart should last you a few years at a very low price. It costs about $5 here in Florida. With washes and filters, the orange look will be toned down sufficiently to represent dunklegelb. Or, simply as a base, it will inhance a dunklegelb camo pattern.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 - 12:48 PM UTC
the house paint sprays smooth? im assuming would need a good amount of thinning.
also to add to matt's suggestion, the color representing dunklegelb probably gets used the most. usually gets pricy for that particular color since it is a base color almost all the time (in my experience anyway).
i do this color in a tamiya spray can just because a spray can could be stretched to two kits. But, if you can do it in house paint bulk, you could go forever
also to add to matt's suggestion, the color representing dunklegelb probably gets used the most. usually gets pricy for that particular color since it is a base color almost all the time (in my experience anyway).
i do this color in a tamiya spray can just because a spray can could be stretched to two kits. But, if you can do it in house paint bulk, you could go forever
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Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 - 11:48 AM UTC
Thamks everyone for the tips, I am going to paint it the dark yellow color. What is the color underneath is it that hull red color???