Some pics
wheels and tracks
turret
ERA
turret again
I don't know the price for it now.
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New aftermarket sets for Zvezda's T-90
talib
Joined: June 05, 2003
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Posted: Saturday, March 03, 2012 - 09:57 PM UTC
Miniarm is preparing new correction sets for T-90 from Zvezda
Some pics
wheels and tracks
turret
ERA
turret again
I don't know the price for it now.
Some pics
wheels and tracks
turret
ERA
turret again
I don't know the price for it now.
lukiftian
Joined: March 12, 2010
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Posted: Sunday, March 04, 2012 - 12:13 AM UTC
I would say the cost is high and while it's a modest improvement I wonder if it's worth the price. The padded tracks look good however.
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Sunday, March 04, 2012 - 10:02 AM UTC
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I would say the cost is high and while it's a modest improvement I wonder if it's worth the price. The padded tracks look good however.
I agree
101yann
Joined: February 04, 2006
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Posted: Sunday, March 04, 2012 - 10:49 AM UTC
Great news, thanks for posting. Any clues as to the relase date ?
In terms of accuracy, Zvezda 's kit is a disaster, so
these sets will definitely be useful.
All we need now is a correct replacement hull
At least we should be grateful to Zvezda for one thing : they prompted Miniarm to revise and improve their own parts!
MINIARM
Joined: May 17, 2010
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Posted: Sunday, March 04, 2012 - 07:16 PM UTC
"At least we should be grateful to Zvezda for one thing : they prompted Miniarm to revise and improve their own parts!"
You have written all correctly
BINGO !
You have written all correctly
BINGO !
101yann
Joined: February 04, 2006
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Posted: Monday, March 05, 2012 - 12:20 AM UTC
Quoted Text
"At least we should be grateful to Zvezda for one thing : they prompted Miniarm to revise and improve their own parts!"
You have written all correctly
BINGO !
couple of questions :
- Will your update sets include the following ?
- Will you release the wheels and the tracks as seperate sets ? (I'd like to get the wheels only).
Oh and when will these sets be available ?
Thanks for your time
and keep up the good work.
101yann
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Posted: Monday, March 05, 2012 - 06:12 AM UTC
oh and this as well!
roycharnock
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Posted: Monday, March 05, 2012 - 06:27 AM UTC
without sounding to condisending..why dont you just mod the kit you have and scratch build the parts/alterations to the hull yourself?
SEDimmick
Joined: March 15, 2002
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Posted: Monday, March 05, 2012 - 07:49 AM UTC
All these updates and they don't even address one of the most pressing needs of the kit....PE replacement mesh for the engine intakes!
hugohuertas
Joined: January 26, 2007
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Posted: Monday, March 05, 2012 - 10:41 AM UTC
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Great news, thanks for posting. Any clues as to the relase date ?
In terms of accuracy, Zvezda 's kit is a disaster, so
these sets will definitely be useful.
All we need now is a correct replacement hull
At least we should be grateful to Zvezda for one thing : they prompted Miniarm to revise and improve their own parts!
I don't want to sound rude, and english is not my natural language so take this in account, but if you consider it such a crap, why do you bother at all to get the Zvezda kit?
If turret is not accurate for your standards, neither the wheels and nor the upper hull, you'll end buying an entire resin kit in separate parts
Get a Tamiya lower hull and buy all the aftermarket you want, and forget about the Zvezda kit, it will be cheaper in the end...
101yann
Joined: February 04, 2006
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Posted: Monday, March 05, 2012 - 11:02 AM UTC
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without sounding to condisending..why dont you just mod the kit you have and scratch build the parts/alterations to the hull yourself?
That's a legitimate question and here's what I think is an equally legitimate answer : time !... or rather the lack of time. I can devote very few hours a week to building (and painting) kits only.
I started building my model about 2 months ago and to my horror I gradually found out the Zvezda kit needs tons of corrections to make it reasonably accurate. Much more work than I originally anticipated.
Now anyone can choose to build it from the box and be happy with it as it still will look impressive enough, but close examination of the real thing makes it obvious it is either way too simplified or plain wrong in most areas.
As it happens, I'm one of those sad modellers who like their models to look right and not just from a distance.
I have already done some work on both the hull and the turret (see crappy pic below) but again I'm running out of time now and therefore those Miniarm update / correction sets are most welcome as far as I'm concerned. Pretty good timing in fact.
101yann
Joined: February 04, 2006
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Posted: Monday, March 05, 2012 - 11:17 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted Text
Great news, thanks for posting. Any clues as to the relase date ?
In terms of accuracy, Zvezda 's kit is a disaster, so
these sets will definitely be useful.
All we need now is a correct replacement hull
At least we should be grateful to Zvezda for one thing : they prompted Miniarm to revise and improve their own parts!
I don't want to sound rude, and english is not my natural language so take this in account, but if you consider it such a crap, why do you bother at all to get the Zvezda kit?
If turret is not accurate for your standards, neither the wheels and nor the upper hull, you'll end buying an entire resin kit in separate parts
Get a Tamiya lower hull and buy all the aftermarket you want, and forget about the Zvezda kit, it will be cheaper in the end...
I don't think you're being rude and English is not my native tongue either so no problem here.
I bought the Zvezda kit because at first it looked impressive and decent enough and I had heard or read some people raving about it... First sighting and opinions can be deceptive...
It's only when I started construction and checked my refs that I realised it was quite poor in terms of accuracy, although I will concede that the tooling is much better than what I was used to with Zvezda (not that I messed with their stuff much in the past though).
Since I paid for it I thought I would have a go at it and see if I could make it look better. As I mentioned above, little did I know it would require so much work !
As for the cost, in my own experience and that of many modellers I know, we tend to buy more kits than we can actually build. Thus I have no problem investing more hard earned cash in obtaining AM sets to detail ONE model that I know I will complete, instead of buying many (plastic) kits that eventually will end up on my shelves gathering dust and that I will never build. Works out cheaper in the end actually.
UGBEAR
Joined: December 01, 2011
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Posted: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 07:26 AM UTC
maybe miniarm will give us a T-72BM conversion for zvezdaT-90
nor zvezda provide us a new T-72BM kit......
OK
as for cold war vehicle fans especially soviet armor, "maybe" takes years...sigh
nor zvezda provide us a new T-72BM kit......
OK
as for cold war vehicle fans especially soviet armor, "maybe" takes years...sighSEDimmick
Joined: March 15, 2002
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Posted: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 08:49 AM UTC
Quoted Text
That's a legitimate question and here's what I think is an equally legitimate answer : time !... or rather the lack of time. I can devote very few hours a week to building (and painting) kits only.
Now anyone can choose to build it from the box and be happy with it as it still will look impressive enough, but close examination of the real thing makes it obvious it is either way too simplified or plain wrong in most areas.
Quoted Text
As it happens, I'm one of those sad modellers who like their models to look right and not just from a distance.
Hmm sounds like your double talking to me...you state you have limited time, but yet you want a really accurate model that takes time to do so..even with a "perfect" kit
If that make you happy...all the more power to you.
but at the same time you don't need to slag off on a kit because it doesn't meet your self imposed standards...
Spiderfrommars
Joined: July 13, 2010
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Posted: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 10:14 AM UTC
We' ve already discussed here on the site about the accuracy of this kit (as well some years ago we had some arguments about the Trumpeter T-62)
Well, Yann I really respect your point of view, but I don't agree with you at all
The kit that you define a "disaster" actually is a GREAT step forward for Zvezda and for the modellers (as me) who are interested in Russian stuff.In my humble opinion you could say that it isn't perfect, you wouldn't be correct if you said that is only a pile of junk
Yes, it could have some minor flaws, but I prefere dealing with plastic-card starting from a good base rather than buying expensive resin sets and a kit which either it isn't perfect at all
My aim is not to argue with you but I really don't know why the guys who say that this kit is junk, never write a complete list with the mistakes of the model. If the mistakes are these which you've spotted in your pics, well I call them "minor flaws" that an average modeller can correct without spending a fortune buying resin sets (are we "modellers" or "assemblers"?).
I'm not referring to you, so please, don't be offended, but I really suspect that the aim of the modellers who define a model "junk" wheras the majority say that actually the kit is good, it's only to appear more tasty, skilled and refined than the other ones, and that's the reason why they have to show that they don't have the same opinion as the majority does
Just my two cents anyway
Cheers
Well, Yann I really respect your point of view, but I don't agree with you at all
The kit that you define a "disaster" actually is a GREAT step forward for Zvezda and for the modellers (as me) who are interested in Russian stuff.In my humble opinion you could say that it isn't perfect, you wouldn't be correct if you said that is only a pile of junk
Yes, it could have some minor flaws, but I prefere dealing with plastic-card starting from a good base rather than buying expensive resin sets and a kit which either it isn't perfect at all
My aim is not to argue with you but I really don't know why the guys who say that this kit is junk, never write a complete list with the mistakes of the model. If the mistakes are these which you've spotted in your pics, well I call them "minor flaws" that an average modeller can correct without spending a fortune buying resin sets (are we "modellers" or "assemblers"?).
I'm not referring to you, so please, don't be offended, but I really suspect that the aim of the modellers who define a model "junk" wheras the majority say that actually the kit is good, it's only to appear more tasty, skilled and refined than the other ones, and that's the reason why they have to show that they don't have the same opinion as the majority does
Just my two cents anyway
Cheers
seb43
Joined: August 30, 2005
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Posted: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 11:04 AM UTC
Ok Guys
I am not a Russian armor expert but I like the design on this beast and after the outstanding review from Karl I decided to take the risk.
Questions:
Does Fruil making complete metal track?? Can I put the T-72 tracks??
What about a brass barrel??
Thanks for your answers
Cheers
Seb
I am not a Russian armor expert but I like the design on this beast and after the outstanding review from Karl I decided to take the risk.
Questions:
Does Fruil making complete metal track?? Can I put the T-72 tracks??
What about a brass barrel??
Thanks for your answers
Cheers
Seb
tanknick22
Joined: February 19, 2009
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Posted: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 11:21 AM UTC
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without sounding to condisending..why dont you just mod the kit you have and scratch build the parts/alterations to the hull yourself?
I agree with you we should be greatfull that there is a model of the T-90 available, hearing these rivet counters complain about how inaccurate a kit is drives me crazy
hugohuertas
Joined: January 26, 2007
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Posted: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 12:36 PM UTC
I get your point there 101Yann
Happy modelling!
Happy modelling!
SEDimmick
Joined: March 15, 2002
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Posted: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 01:10 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Ok Guys
Does Fruil making complete metal track?? Can I put the T-72 tracks??
What about a brass barrel??
No barrel and no track for it yet...
Why do you want to replace the track? From what I've seen its pretty nice...
chefchris
Joined: February 06, 2006
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Posted: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 01:22 PM UTC
The RB barrel should work out ( thats what im using...)
As for the track... Ive seen early (cast turreted) T-90 s with the T-72 style track, but not the welded turreted ones.
I actually like the kit track - for injection molding, its nice and easy to work with once you get it laid out and fully pressed in.
Chris
As for the track... Ive seen early (cast turreted) T-90 s with the T-72 style track, but not the welded turreted ones.
I actually like the kit track - for injection molding, its nice and easy to work with once you get it laid out and fully pressed in.
Chris
lukiftian
Joined: March 12, 2010
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Posted: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 02:57 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Great news, thanks for posting. Any clues as to the relase date ?
In terms of accuracy, Zvezda 's kit is a disaster, so
these sets will definitely be useful.
All we need now is a correct replacement hull
At least we should be grateful to Zvezda for one thing : they prompted Miniarm to revise and improve their own parts!
I'm sorry Yann, but that's just funny. You don't know what a disaster in accuracy is. Zvezda's accuracy issues are modest, at worst.In any event Yann, it's your hobby too I suppose, but in practice I've seldom seen modelers who obsess about accuracy in a kit actually finish one, let alone to the lofty standards they expect from the kit they start with.
And if you don't have the time, perhaps you might consider commissioning the work out? I'm available, I'll do it for a thousand euros excluding material costs.
lukiftian
Joined: March 12, 2010
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Posted: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 03:15 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextOk Guys
Does Fruil making complete metal track?? Can I put the T-72 tracks??
What about a brass barrel??
No barrel and no track for it yet...
Why do you want to replace the track? From what I've seen its pretty nice...
The kit tracks are very good, but they are steel cleats. The T-90 also has a padded track.
seb43
Joined: August 30, 2005
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Posted: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 05:56 PM UTC
Why I want Fruil????
For the fun maybe
So RB has a barrel??
For the fun maybe
So RB has a barrel??
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 06:33 PM UTC
Hi Seb
Rb has in the catalogue a T-72 barrel
Item 35B102
I don't know if it is good also for a T-90
Regarding the tracks, Sector 35 makes them
http://www.modelgeek.com/news/9708
They cost more or less like the friul ones
If you want to depict an early T-90 with T-72 tracks, maybe it would be better to use the Miniarm ones because that set includes the sprocket wheels
Rb has in the catalogue a T-72 barrel
Item 35B102
I don't know if it is good also for a T-90
Regarding the tracks, Sector 35 makes them
http://www.modelgeek.com/news/9708
They cost more or less like the friul ones
If you want to depict an early T-90 with T-72 tracks, maybe it would be better to use the Miniarm ones because that set includes the sprocket wheels
Karl187
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Posted: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 - 11:20 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Why I want Fruil????
For the fun maybe
So RB has a barrel??
I think Spade Ace do T-90 tracks aswell, there was a thread about them here a while ago. The kit tracks are quite easy to do though, pretty sturdy aswell.
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