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M966 HMMWV TOW Missile Carrier
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Posted: Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 04:32 PM UTC

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Well, I figured since I was doing some multi kit part combining, adding photo-etch and doing a little scratch building I might as well use one of my DEF Model resin tire sets. So, I have spent some time tonight shooting lots of photos of the tire set before assembling all of them.

Here is the packaging:


Here are the 5 tires....you will notice that 2 ea are labeled 'A' and 2 ea are labeled 'B' and 1 ea is labeled 'S' (spare).


Here is a photo of the DEF Model tire(left) next to the Tamiya tire (right).


Here is a photo of a real tire for tread comparison.


Here is an image of one of the assembled DEF Model wheels next to one of the assembled Tamiya wheels.



If you look close, you will see there is a bit of gap between the wheel and tire of the DEF Model wheel assembly compared to the tight fit of the Tamiya parts. I think once the DEF Model tire/wheel is painted, the gap won't be noticeable.

For those interested, I have 14 images of the DEF Model set posted here:

DEF Model DW 35004 HMMWV R/T II Sagged Wheel Set

I have a few photos of the real Goodyear Wrangler R/T II posted here:

Goodyear Wrangler R/T II Photos


Brent:
F.Y.I. I hope you are aware that hummers have 2 diff.
tire sizes. 35x10.50 & 37x12.50. For your hummer it would
not have the larger.They are for the heavy variants. IE
M1046 M1037/M1097 M1113/ M1114 M1151/M1152
The Goodyear wrangler XT/MT II is the 37" tire
trahe
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Posted: Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 10:57 PM UTC
Great build so far! Are you going to load up the interior, too?
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Posted: Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 11:20 PM UTC
I'm following this thread with a lot of pleasure

I like the look of the tires. I've got a Gunze "Tire Black" paint, but i think Lifecolor's one looks better, a little bit "rubberish". I shall try it when my Gunze is empty.
sgtsauer
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Posted: Saturday, October 06, 2012 - 04:59 AM UTC

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Well, I figured since I was doing some multi kit part combining, adding photo-etch and doing a little scratch building I might as well use one of my DEF Model resin tire sets. So, I have spent some time tonight shooting lots of photos of the tire set before assembling all of them.

Here is the packaging:


Here are the 5 tires....you will notice that 2 ea are labeled 'A' and 2 ea are labeled 'B' and 1 ea is labeled 'S' (spare).


Here is a photo of the DEF Model tire(left) next to the Tamiya tire (right).


Here is a photo of a real tire for tread comparison.


Here is an image of one of the assembled DEF Model wheels next to one of the assembled Tamiya wheels.



If you look close, you will see there is a bit of gap between the wheel and tire of the DEF Model wheel assembly compared to the tight fit of the Tamiya parts. I think once the DEF Model tire/wheel is painted, the gap won't be noticeable.

For those interested, I have 14 images of the DEF Model set posted here:

DEF Model DW 35004 HMMWV R/T II Sagged Wheel Set

I have a few photos of the real Goodyear Wrangler R/T II posted here:

Goodyear Wrangler R/T II Photos


Brent:
F.Y.I. I hope you are aware that hummers have 2 diff.
tire sizes. 35x10.50 & 37x12.50. For your hummer it would
not have the larger.They are for the heavy variants. IE
M1046 M1037/M1097 M1113/ M1114 M1151/M1152
The Goodyear wrangler XT/MT II is the 37" tire


Thanks for the tire information. I don't know much about HMMWV tires. I picked the tires based on the tread pattern and them matching what is shown in other photos.
Herchealer
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Posted: Saturday, October 06, 2012 - 05:02 AM UTC
How about some update photo's? I know you have been working on it.

J
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Posted: Saturday, October 06, 2012 - 05:03 AM UTC
I have begun the installation of various interior PE parts.









hliu24
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Posted: Saturday, October 06, 2012 - 05:42 AM UTC
very nice PE work


jay
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Posted: Saturday, October 06, 2012 - 06:48 AM UTC
The pleasure of watching this nice, clean work is still going on
Herchealer
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Posted: Saturday, October 06, 2012 - 07:23 AM UTC
I knew I could get you to post some. Looking good, keep going Brent.

J
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Posted: Monday, October 08, 2012 - 12:10 PM UTC
Here is a small update. All of the seats and seatbelts are now installed. I also got some more interior PE done. The resin fuel can in the holder is from Real Model.









The jerry can holder strap and the tie down straps are two piece assemblies and definitely required some patience from me. The fuel can is only 'posing' in the picture for now. I made the strap so that I can disconnect it and remove the fuel can for painting.

More to come.
Herchealer
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Posted: Monday, October 08, 2012 - 01:20 PM UTC
Looking good my friend. Keep it going bro!


J
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Posted: Saturday, October 13, 2012 - 01:40 PM UTC
I have a brief moment tonight and wanted to post a couple of photos of the construction of the PE gunners platform. The gunner platform in the kit is one piece. The Eduard photo-etch set has a 3 piece gunner platform.

Here are the parts for the Eduard gunner platform.



Here are a couple of pictures of the Eduard gunner platform next to the kit part.





Here is a picture of a real gunner platform.

sgtsauer
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Posted: Sunday, October 14, 2012 - 04:37 PM UTC
A little more progress and kit part comparison.

Here is the kit part for the dash.


Here is the kit part after I have removed the raised dial faces with a hobby knife and glued down the Eduard PE set dial face with Elmers white glue.


Here is the kit part with the dial face glued in place with Elmers white glue and the Eduard PE dial face frame glued in place with CA glue.


Here is the windshield frame and dash installed on the vehicle body.
kubisz
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Posted: Sunday, October 14, 2012 - 05:54 PM UTC
Nice and clean job - nothing has changed. And it's not an usual workshop thread. It's a step-by-step instructions, how to make a decent model. Thanks a lot for such way of presentation
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Posted: Monday, October 15, 2012 - 07:18 PM UTC
She is looking beautiful sgtsauer!

I am watching this one closely. The PE parts make such a huge difference to the model.

Can't wait for more pictures!
sgtsauer
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Posted: Saturday, October 20, 2012 - 09:24 AM UTC
I'm back with a small update.

I have assembled the Eduard PE set replacement radio mount. It consists of 6 parts. The instructions for the Eduard set show you using 1 ea of part #32.



The set only comes with 1 ea part #32.

However, the interior pictures that I have of a real M966 TOW Carrier shows that the radio tray should have 2 ea of part #32.



I ended up opening up another Eduard PE set for a Tamiya M1025 and I used the part #32 out of it.

The assembly was pretty difficult for me to put together. Probably due to my inexperience with photo-etch.

This picture shows the Tamiya kit radio tray (being held by tweezers)next to the installed Eduard replacement assembly.



Another view of the installed Eduard radio tray assembly.
Herchealer
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Posted: Saturday, October 20, 2012 - 10:21 AM UTC
Nice very nice.


Keep going my brother!


J
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 01:04 PM UTC
Did a little bit of work today while recovering from my sinus surgery.

In this update, I have modified the kit TOW missile rack with the Eduard pe parts.

Here is the unmodified kit assembly.



The Eduard pe parts make a more detailed storage rack for camouflage netting bag. The modification consists of 7 pe parts. 3 parts are additional frame work and 4 parts are more detailed tie-down straps than those parts molded on the kit supplied bag.


This photo shows the tie-down straps from the pe set. Each tie-down is two parts. You must interconnect them just like the real strap. In this photo, one set is interconnected.


In this photo, the straps are loosely in place.


In this photo, the straps are tightened up. The overall assembly is ready for priming and painting.
Burik
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 - 12:36 AM UTC
This is real nice Brent. One day...

Bob
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 - 01:19 AM UTC
I love following this build as I was a Platoon Sergeant of a Tow platoon at Ft Bragg and I had 4 of these vehicles,a cargo hummer and a command hummer in my platoon.
Pretty cool to see your build. We carried our cammo net on the back of the tailgate though. If it's inside it gets in the way of the loader
J
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 - 09:43 AM UTC
Next up, I tackled the air cleaner and coolant overflow assembly. The basic kit parts consist of just two pieces. Eduard dresses the assembly up with 7 additional PE parts.

Here is the basic kit assembly:




Here is the assembly with the Eduard pe parts installed.


Here is a side-by-side comparison of the basic kit assembly and the kit assembly with pe parts installed.


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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 - 09:59 AM UTC
Simple old school hummer, I Like
supplyssg
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 - 11:43 AM UTC
Wow! The old M966! I remember the days I turned-in the M151A2 TOW gun jeeps and received these brand new M966's for the Combat Support Company (CSC) I served during the 80's. We were all in awe of these brand new un-jeep like vehicles. They were monsters compared to the nimble little jeep that turned on a dime and could weave in and out of the thickest forests! The M966 wasn't as nimble...but it could traverse some severe terrain!

I do have to agree with PSG jrutman, the camou net was never stored inside the vehicle. It was always strapped outside the vehicle with the, four (4) I believe, integral vehicle straps located on the tailgate, provided by AM General, for this very purpose.

The after market molded camou pack displayed in your photo is way too small in scale, in my opinion. This was, in reality, a very bulky pack never properly folded and compressed correctly by the average soldier anyhow...and was only attached to the tailgate after great difficulty and great cursing! Any vehicle soldier will tell you how much camou nets were hated!

The relatively small area your kit camou net is being presented was normally used to store MRE cartons for the vehicle crew. They were easily stood upon by the loader along with other items of insignificant personal gear that could stand the rigors of being trampled upon!

Will be watching your build with interest as I have a personal relationship with this vehicle...the gunners pedistal is dead on and the tires are as I remember them initially! Keep up the good work!
sgtsauer
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 - 12:05 PM UTC
I appreciate the comments from you guys who actually served around these. My exposure to the real M966's were very short and ended a few months ago when they were converted to M1121's.

I agree with the observations about the camo bag. The thing is way too small. I'm only using it because it was in the kit and I don't have a suitable replacement. Its not even shaped like the real thing. lol

If you guys have any real humvee pictures, I would love to get copies of them for my website.
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 02:30 AM UTC
You really know your humvees Richard! Yes,we all hated strapping those POS bags of crap to the back of the vehicles because it wasn't only the bag of crap,it was also the bag of poles!
Brent,you are doing the old vehicle proud. I don't have any pics of them,sorry. I was always too busy in ops and maint and trying to keep a handle on 18 to 20 crazy paratroopers.
An interesting vehicle to model would be my Hmvee during desert storm. It was a cargo vehicle(platoon sergeant) with me driving,the platoon medic in the TC seat and a gunner in the back bed with a angle iron field mod mount for a 50cal MG. We had a piece of plywood over the cab with the cammo net on top of it and later,after the cease fire,the whole back was filled with firewood and extra crap that no one wanted of their gun hmvees. It was the "Sanford and Son" vehicle!
J
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