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French main battle tank LECLERC series2
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Posted: Monday, April 10, 2017 - 01:13 AM UTC
Well, time to resume works and over these the project has come!
We begin to apply primer!







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Posted: Monday, April 10, 2017 - 01:37 AM UTC
WAS ABOUT TIME !!!

Cheers
Christopher
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Posted: Monday, April 10, 2017 - 10:08 AM UTC

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WAS ABOUT TIME !!!

Cheers
Christopher




Better late than never!
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Posted: Monday, April 10, 2017 - 01:30 PM UTC
hehe, after about 5 years this one continues^^.
Looking good so far
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Posted: Monday, April 10, 2017 - 03:19 PM UTC
Nice to see you starting to make progress again Kirill, I haven't seen too many of these built!
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Posted: Monday, April 10, 2017 - 06:19 PM UTC

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hehe, after about 5 years this one continues^^.
Looking good so far
/Stefan



Haha , I will say so, the more time, the more delicious the drink!


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Nice to see you starting to make progress again Kirill, I haven't seen too many of these built!



I am also glad that I again have time to take up modeling with John. Let's see what happens as a result, I think I will start doing basic coloring this weekend. In any case, John, thanks for the comment.
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Posted: Monday, April 10, 2017 - 08:06 PM UTC
Hi Kirill,
Still with you on this build. Never give up.
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Posted: Monday, April 10, 2017 - 11:50 PM UTC
Nice restart!
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Posted: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 - 10:49 AM UTC

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Hi Kirill,
Still with you on this build. Never give up.



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Nice restart!


Kurt and Olivier, thanks for support and attention to the blog guys!
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Posted: Saturday, October 28, 2017 - 11:06 PM UTC
Hello!
Finally I found the time to paint this tank. I decided to try modulation on the camouflage version of the color. What I will not know is an experiment. So far I have performed the basic paint + selected individual elements with lighter drops. I await your feedback!


















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Posted: Saturday, October 28, 2017 - 11:25 PM UTC
That paint job is beautiful. Your soft edges are done very well. I really like all of the small detail you added to the kit.

Regards,

Eric
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Posted: Sunday, October 29, 2017 - 06:00 AM UTC
Beautiful Job Kirill!
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Posted: Sunday, October 29, 2017 - 12:33 PM UTC

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That paint job is beautiful. Your soft edges are done very well. I really like all of the small detail you added to the kit.

Regards,

Eric




Thanks for the comment and evaluation of Eric! I'm rather impatient to do the following stages of toning.


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Beautiful Job Kirill!



Thank you, John, I'm glad that you like my color.
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Posted: Sunday, October 29, 2017 - 10:24 PM UTC
Very nice colours on your Leclerc!

For information, french army is testing new camo (olive green and grass green on tan base):
https://www.google.fr/search?q=nouveau+camouflage+arm%C3%A9e+fran%C3%A7aise+leclerc&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:fr:official&dcr=0&tbm=isch&source=iu&pf=m&ictx=1&fir=cNQTHoBRZlyExM%253A%252C4-HmUyBigHGkoM%252C_&usg=__x5OGorCziWVWE8H6C45AF0qWPwU%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi3_MKx7pjXAhWIuRoKHYTEC6kQ9QEIKTAA#imgrc=cNQTHoBRZlyExM:
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 12:52 AM UTC
Nice paint but if you look at pictures of actual tanks you can notice that there is a continuity between the turret and the hull color patches.



Olivier
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 01:01 AM UTC



Stephane, thank you for the evaluation!
The new camouflage was interesting to play, I did not know about it. Maybe someday I'll get together with the forces and make another great leclerc with this camouflage! In any case, thanks for the information!


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Nice paint but if you look at pictures of actual tanks you can notice that there is a continuity between the turret and the hull color patches.



Olivier



Hello Olivier!
Thank you for the remark, I also noticed this, but already when I took off the masks. For me, this is the first experience of painting a camouflage model with masks. In addition, I still complicated my life and tried to portray an easy modulation ... so I leave this option on this model, we will consider that this is a certain tank from the training group. Do not know if there are such in your army. In any case, I think after aggressive vesering, namely this I plan, the non-symmetry of the spots will not be so obvious.
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 02:50 PM UTC

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Hello Olivier!
Thank you for the remark, I also noticed this, but already when I took off the masks. For me, this is the first experience of painting a camouflage model with masks. In addition, I still complicated my life and tried to portray an easy modulation ... so I leave this option on this model, we will consider that this is a certain tank from the training group. Do not know if there are such in your army. In any case, I think after aggressive vesering, namely this I plan, the non-symmetry of the spots will not be so obvious.



An appropriate coat of dust like we have in the Champagne training camps will do the trick

Right now we don't have "modified" Leclerc to act as opposing forces. The ones used by the French OPFOR are similar to the Blue force tanks. A bit tricky for the crews but if they know how to use their situational awareness system it must not be an issue to identify the good guys from the bad ones.

Olivier
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Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 - 07:07 AM UTC
Wow, fantastic work, both on the build and the paint! I have spoken with Olivier years ago about the Leclerc, and I have a just barely started my first Leclerc, and have just ordered another one to have as a spare, because I like the lines of this tank so much. I didn't notice whether you followed Olivier's build notes, about how to make this tank more accurate or not, but you did a great job. I think your camouflage paint work is really great, and I only hope that my first attempt at a 3 color masked camo paint job comes out even close to as good as yours. Really nice work!
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Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 - 09:22 PM UTC

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Hello Olivier!
Thank you for the remark, I also noticed this, but already when I took off the masks. For me, this is the first experience of painting a camouflage model with masks. In addition, I still complicated my life and tried to portray an easy modulation ... so I leave this option on this model, we will consider that this is a certain tank from the training group. Do not know if there are such in your army. In any case, I think after aggressive vesering, namely this I plan, the non-symmetry of the spots will not be so obvious.




An appropriate coat of dust like we have in the Champagne training camps will do the trick

Right now we don't have "modified" Leclerc to act as opposing forces. The ones used by the French OPFOR are similar to the Blue force tanks. A bit tricky for the crews but if they know how to use their situational awareness system it must not be an issue to identify the good guys from the bad ones.

Olivier




So let's see if the radical dustiness can remove my defect!


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Wow, fantastic work, both on the build and the paint! I have spoken with Olivier years ago about the Leclerc, and I have a just barely started my first Leclerc, and have just ordered another one to have as a spare, because I like the lines of this tank so much. I didn't notice whether you followed Olivier's build notes, about how to make this tank more accurate or not, but you did a great job. I think your camouflage paint work is really great, and I only hope that my first attempt at a 3 color masked camo paint job comes out even close to as good as yours. Really nice work!



Hello Сurt! Thank you for appreciating my work!
This is my first French tank and my first experience of camouflage, so there are minor flaws. I'm sure you're doing a lot better! When Olivier was making his tank, I did not follow his work, because then my level of performance was much lower. Modifications on my model, I did based only on the photos I found on the Internet. Thanks again for evaluating the work!
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Posted: Sunday, November 26, 2017 - 01:49 AM UTC
Hello!
A small update, standard and well-known stages of toning.
I tried a new one for myself
Photos this time disappointed, something bad luck today with photographing ...








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Posted: Sunday, November 26, 2017 - 08:04 AM UTC
Kirill,

Nice work on the fading and weathering. I hope you plan on leaving it at this level, or perhaps just a bit additional. I think the subtle amount that you have done looks really realistic! I have a copy of the Char Leclerc book by Robinson/Guillemain, and your weathering looks a lot like many of the photos in the book, even for tanks that were in the field, but that had not been exposed to heavy mud and dirt/dust. If anything, you could add a very small amount of dust/dirt so that the black part of the camo is just slightly more 'dirty', thus being a bit lighter in shade. Other than that, which is not at all necessary, you've dome fantastic!

I received my second Leclerc kit, so I'm happy that if I should mess up the model that I have just barely started, I'll have another one available. I was worried that Tamiya might decide to cease production of this kit, and then I'd never have another shot at building it. This new one wasn't cheap, but if they stop making it, I'm sure the prices for any remaining kits will get even more pricey!
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Posted: Sunday, November 26, 2017 - 12:13 PM UTC

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Kirill,

Nice work on the fading and weathering. I hope you plan on leaving it at this level, or perhaps just a bit additional. I think the subtle amount that you have done looks really realistic! I have a copy of the Char Leclerc book by Robinson/Guillemain, and your weathering looks a lot like many of the photos in the book, even for tanks that were in the field, but that had not been exposed to heavy mud and dirt/dust. If anything, you could add a very small amount of dust/dirt so that the black part of the camo is just slightly more 'dirty', thus being a bit lighter in shade. Other than that, which is not at all necessary, you've dome fantastic!

I received my second Leclerc kit, so I'm happy that if I should mess up the model that I have just barely started, I'll have another one available. I was worried that Tamiya might decide to cease production of this kit, and then I'd never have another shot at building it. This new one wasn't cheap, but if they stop making it, I'm sure the prices for any remaining kits will get even more pricey!



Hi Curt!
I am glad that has again glanced to me in the blog!
I thank for assessment of my work. I am glad that you had liked my option of a color and toning. But personally I am dissatisfied with the received result. The model on half-tone became more dark than I planned initially.
The further stage - is a little chips and pollution. I plan to do not really intensive pollution because not the supporter of too dirty models. But anyway, there will be a small thematic support which will add mood and color to this tank - for this reason skating rinks are located not at one level.

P. S. My congratulations on acquisition of the second set! I don't think that you will spoil the first set, any paint can be washed easily and will return to the beginning of paintings! There are many cheap ways to wash any paint. And on the fact that the remained sets will jump up in the price - very much can be, examples there is a weight. And it is sad.
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Posted: Monday, November 27, 2017 - 02:23 AM UTC
Kirill, your Leclerc must be way darker in person than in the photos because it looks really good in the pictures. Regarding my own second kit, I appreciate your thoughts on painting, but I was and am more concerned about the construction than painting and weathering. For example, I really messed up the 3 ‘covers’ on the rear upper hull that need to be put in place by scratch building. I really did a terrible job in trying to get those parts ‘notched’ properly, then an even worst job in super gluing them to the hull, where the parts are all covered in a mass of glue. I tried removing them, which left unsightly messed up plastic which is not recoverable. The only possible way to ‘fix’ it would be piles of pigment, to simulate dirt or mud, but I can’t see how such piles would get there in real life. This is kind of like I pictured my model buildings by when I was 6 or 7 years old. One of those things I will always know is there, even if I were able to ‘fix’ it!!
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Posted: Monday, November 27, 2017 - 05:18 AM UTC
You may not think the photos came out well Kirill, but your build still looks good!
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Posted: Monday, November 27, 2017 - 12:14 PM UTC

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Kirill, your Leclerc must be way darker in person than in the photos because it looks really good in the pictures. Regarding my own second kit, I appreciate your thoughts on painting, but I was and am more concerned about the construction than painting and weathering. For example, I really messed up the 3 ‘covers’ on the rear upper hull that need to be put in place by scratch building. I really did a terrible job in trying to get those parts ‘notched’ properly, then an even worst job in super gluing them to the hull, where the parts are all covered in a mass of glue. I tried removing them, which left unsightly messed up plastic which is not recoverable. The only possible way to ‘fix’ it would be piles of pigment, to simulate dirt or mud, but I can’t see how such piles would get there in real life. This is kind of like I pictured my model buildings by when I was 6 or 7 years old. One of those things I will always know is there, even if I were able to ‘fix’ it!!



Curt, it is possible you and I am right concerning opacity of model. But if to approach a color question from the art point of view, then the model nevertheless has to be lighter, Effect of illumination + scale, for similar there are certain rules in painting.
Concerning your model. As I have understood you prefer a technical dostovrenost and compliance - it cool!
it is unattainable For me, I begin to miss when I try to count all bolts and to check whether correctly they are located. In general it seems to me to make technically right model much more difficult than well to paint it.
For the solution of your problems with the spoiled details I see two varinat: 1) To copy the damaged details from new model in pitch. 2) on the spoiled places from above to place camouflage net.


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You may not think the photos came out well Kirill, but your build still looks good!



Thank you for rating John! I still have time to spoil everything!
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