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Tracked Stryker
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 06:14 AM UTC
Hi,

I just returned from AUSA exchibition...

Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the General Dynamics Stand.... A TRACKED STRYKER!!!



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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 06:46 AM UTC
Here are a few more and some info on it.

Would be interesting to scratchbuild
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 06:49 AM UTC
Yup, saw it earlier in the week at AUSA Conf as well. It is funny how the Army brass fought for the wheeled Stryker, even though a tracked vehicle was proven more capable, and now we are looking at a tracked Stryker. It comes full circle.
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 07:52 AM UTC
I went yesterday, apparently its part of the AMPV program to replace the M113. Personally if I was in the selection process for this, I'd go with the turretless Bradley variant.
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 08:02 AM UTC
The real one will have 6 roadwheels.
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 08:06 AM UTC

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...apparently its part of the AMPV program to replace the M113. Personally if I was in the selection process for this, I'd go with the turretless Bradley variant.


The turretless Brad is in the running and also my choice as well.
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 11:34 AM UTC
Having been a tanker with minimal experiense with the Brad or Stryker I would go with the mature Bradely. Its already in service and in the supply system. The faults are worked out verses a new chassis on the Stryker. Now will it get to production or face the budget axe.

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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 07:04 PM UTC
Mike "Gavin" Sparks should be in the seventh heaven by now...

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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 07:41 PM UTC
It should be a thing for AM producers to look at...
There are a lot of Stryker fans out there, and a hull add-on should be fairly easy to do... They wouldn't let me take pictures underneath, so no details from me
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 - 07:57 AM UTC

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The real one will have 6 roadwheels.

Any other Canucks think that some of the 3/4 front shots, with the sloped nose, 4 road wheels and prominant cages over the light groups, make it look kinda like a stretched out Lynx (M113 C&R)??
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 - 10:55 AM UTC
What's next? Jet fighter with floats? 20mm armed trycicle? Anti tank Vespa?
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 - 11:08 AM UTC
mmeier dude the anti tank vespa has already been built

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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 - 03:03 PM UTC

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Mike "Gavin" Sparks should be in the seventh heaven by now...

Frenchy


I suggest a wheeled "Gavin". Truly the ultimate IFV!
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 - 04:41 PM UTC
that is a fine idea for a kitbash
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 - 04:49 PM UTC
Roy i did something like this about 15 yrs ago ..ok its not a Stryker ,LAV25 AD was what i used mainly because the Stryker wasn't a kit yet and i didnt even know about it .
Use an old Italeri kit and M60 tracks and wheels .



Now theres this one .. oh time to go picture hunting cause its time to build the real thing

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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 - 04:59 PM UTC
Here's a few more pics i just found in my little picture hunt .




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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 - 05:05 PM UTC
A turrentless Bradley compared to a tracked Stryker? That's a big difference because the armor on a Bradley is proof against 30mm AP and that on a Stryker is proof only against 14.5mm AP. Are we talking about the same contender for the M113 replacement?

Funny how most of these M113 replacements have either a M2HB or MK-19. Isn't there any U.S. machine gun higher in caliber than that and below a 25mm Bushmaster? How about the XM25? The 20mm Vulcan would be too bulky.
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 - 05:14 PM UTC
Been thinking that same thing Peter .. whats wrong with 20mm ..theres some pretty serious rounds out there in the 20mm class and i am pretty sure that a Bradley carries more guys than a Stryker can too so using the Bradley would make more sense to me .
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2012 - 06:06 PM UTC
Those wheels look like they come from the M110 family, only with larger center hubs.

Pretty cool looking LAV Phil.

Happy Modeling,
Joe
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 04:31 AM UTC

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Been thinking that same thing Peter .. whats wrong with 20mm ..theres some pretty serious rounds out there in the 20mm class and i am pretty sure that a Bradley carries more guys than a Stryker can too so using the Bradley would make more sense to me .


I believe most of the guns above 12.7mm are gatling. There's the single barrel 25 and 30mm auto cannons, but that's about it. I don't believe the U.S. has any single barrel 20mm cannons in modern inventory.

I know there was talk that the Army wanted to upgrade the firepower on the Stryker. For that we're talking plain LAV III before the turret was taken off to make the Stryker. How odd...
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 05:38 AM UTC
The question about upgrading the .50 cal comes down to what do you really want a bigger gun for? Anti-personnel? Then the Ma Deuce is plenty big enough. Anti-armoured vehicle? Then you need something like the Bushmaster or the 30mm chain guns to get a reasonable chance of a kill at combat ranges. 20mm is really too light to deal with modern light armoured vehicles but is too big to be effective against personnel.

The larger guns also generally require a turret because of their size & mass and with the larger rounds, you simply can't carry much ammo.

If you are making a replacement for the 113, which is a battle taxi, remember, then the M2 of Mk 19 are all you really need. If you are going vehicle hunting, then you need a turret, larger weapons, a targeting system, night sights, etc., etc., etc. It spirals up really quickly and then the capability of the vehicle to be a general battle taxi decreases and you're left with a Bradley competitor.

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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 09:30 AM UTC
How about the armor issue? If M2 plain, which I don't think they make anymore, it'll be 14.5mm AP just like the Stryker and LAV III. If M2A2 Bradley variant even without the turret, that's 30mm AP armor, which is a huge difference from the Stryker. Even the USMC has 14.5mm armor now with their LAV SLEPs and AAV7s with EEAK add-ons.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - 06:33 PM UTC
Guys:
I like this one a lot better.

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-stryker-family-adds-a-new-vehicle

It looks like it's based on the Bradley chassis
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Posted: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 - 07:39 PM UTC

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The question about upgrading the .50 cal comes down to what do you really want a bigger gun for? Anti-personnel? Then the Ma Deuce is plenty big enough. Anti-armoured vehicle? Then you need something like the Bushmaster or the 30mm chain guns to get a reasonable chance of a kill at combat ranges. 20mm is really too light to deal with modern light armoured vehicles but is too big to be effective against personnel.



According to the Geneva Convention, you are not allowed to use .50 cal or above against personnel...
Shooting at soldiers canteens with .50 is perhaps "ok", but with 20 mm or higher is perhaps a little overkill
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Posted: Thursday, November 08, 2012 - 03:34 AM UTC

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Guys:
I like this one a lot better.

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-stryker-family-adds-a-new-vehicle

It looks like it's based on the Bradley chassis


I believe this is the six-roadwheeled version Graeme Davidson mentioned above:



I personnally like the turretless M2 Bradley. It has a stouter drive train & suspension, can handle additional armor as needed, has more room for all the additional crap US Soldiers tend to carry or need, and utilizes existing components in the logistics system.

Also, what is going to happen with all of those expensive MRAPs?
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