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Dragon 7.5cm PaK 40 (#7374)
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Posted: Sunday, December 09, 2012 - 04:32 AM UTC
@Braille - Eddy,

Yes indeed, I will be sticking to only acrylics, as with all my builds. As I alluded to above, with this figure and the figure 'A' I am experimenting with figure painting methods. The loader is totally a hit or miss effort and the figure 'A' will be along the lines that Alex Clark outlines in his book. However, your suggestions of a burnt umber wash at some point will be investigated. Currently in stock is the ModelMaster Acryl burnt umber and I also have a Delta Ceramcoat semi-transparent burnt umber.

@panzerman1 - Bill,

Thanks for your suggestions, both keeping it simpler and about using figures as this built is intended for competition in next seasons shows. As I mention, each of these first two will be experiments using two different methods. Based on that outcome, I'll then decide how to do the others or any future figured.

Cheers,
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Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 06:18 AM UTC
A bit more work done on the parts of this kit. I like to try to paint several items of the same colour at once when I pull out the airbrush. As there was a need for Dark Yellow the PaK joined the queue and got a base coating.







The gun/cradle are still not glued and this really helped with the painting. I was quite concerned that the spray wouldn't reach in and cover everything behind the shield. I sprayed at 15 psi and it took three separate attempts to get everything in that area covered. As I was painting several different items each coat on the PaK had time to more or less dry before getting another coat.

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Now for the 'A' crewman. Except for his helmet, he is more or less built. As I am intending to try the "Clark" figure painting method, he was coated in NATO Black to start and then I applied the base flesh colour.





As time permits I'll be starting on the assembly of figure 'B' (the gun layer). The instructions only give you two choices for a paint scheme for this gun, either overall Panzer Grey or Desert Yellow. I think that's rather bland so I'll look for an appealing or at least interesting camouflage scheme.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2012 - 09:28 AM UTC
Hi Jan, going great and some effort my friend. this operation should not stop.
Regards
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Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2012 - 03:27 PM UTC
Not to worry, Erhan, this one will progress. With our holidays here so near, I'll be a bit slow in updating this one. Thanks for having a look and the comment.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Friday, December 21, 2012 - 12:06 AM UTC
I have been trying to figure out what that figure remind me of. It just came to me. Anyone see the movie"Final Destination"... the license plate flying though the air and take the top of the kids head off. Good flick but as usual the sequel were kinda poor.
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Posted: Friday, December 21, 2012 - 06:21 PM UTC
@tread_geek – Jan,

The anti-tank gun looks good painted in overall Dark Yellow. You have a good start on the figure. Glad to see you have a SBS approach going on the figure painting, this is much needed.

Happy Holidays Jan,
~ Eddy
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Posted: Saturday, December 22, 2012 - 06:26 AM UTC
@wing_nut - Marc,

Glad to have you drop in and get a chuckle out of the figure with the radical lobotomy.

@Braille - Eddy,

Thanks for the comments and I'm happy that this extreme SBS isn't too boring.

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I've worked on the first two figures a bit more and started painting the rubber portion of the wheels of the PaK. On this latter point it seems that these guns had at least about eight different wheel sets, including some that were similar but with different rubber thickness. Of all the pictures that I've looked at I decided to do the one that seemed easiest.

With the gun commander I stared with the Alex Clark method of using "basic black" as a base. I've used successive layers (washes) of an Olivgrun colour to build up the opacity.







Now for the two figures together with a bit more detail painting done.





While neither figure is near done, at this point I am favouring the first method I chose for the loader.

To all those that have celebrations this time of year, Happy Holidays!

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 - 08:35 AM UTC
It's been a while but I finally devoted a bit of time to the PaK crew. Figure 'A' is finally completely built (no more jokes about him having his head blown off) and along with Figure 'C' is waiting for more painting.





Today I also started on Figure 'C' and it had it's own problems. The two leg halves needed removal of flash from where they join and after the glue dried, the area where the torso meets needed a fair amount of sanding to get it level.





Both sprue attachment points on the torso were quite thick and large and took time to clean them up so they would sit properly on the leg portion and later when the right arm is attached.





The next job will be to add the equipment around the waist and perhaps the head. I'm finding it best to leave the arms until last.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Friday, February 22, 2013 - 07:38 AM UTC
For the sake of variety, I devoted some time to finishing the actual PaK 40 between other subjects. One thing for a builder to keep in mind is that you'll need to find a way to hold this small and fragile little gun. There might be other solutions but for the sake of expediency I chose to mount it on a small cork sheet with the actual model held onto it by brass wire.

The instructions only give you two painting options of either grey or sand. I base coated in the sand but found it too boring. I got out some Model Master Acryl Olivgrun and added some stripes of the colour.

Here's the first stage after applying the Olivgrun.







The next pictures show the gun with various detail items (shovel, cleaning rods, sight etc) painted and weathering started.







There is only one decal to apply and that is the kill rings on the end of the barrel. Once that's done I'll do the final weathering and then return to the crew.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Friday, February 22, 2013 - 07:55 AM UTC

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For the sake of variety, I devoted some time to finishing the actual PaK 40 between other subjects. One thing for a builder to keep in mind is that you'll need to find a way to hold this small and fragile little gun...



I performed work on similar AT gun along with the crews at 1/35 scale also from Dragon already made my eyes got circling

Nice touch Jan! I'm following this topic

Best regards


Garry
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Posted: Friday, February 22, 2013 - 03:47 PM UTC
Hello

that piece of cork is also a good starting point for a small base to place the gun and its servants in, possibly thats already a consideration.

with the weathering and washes the gun has had, its looking very good.

I agree those figures will look a treat with the right kind of wash.

I wash all mine to bring out the features and details. Its rare when it doesn't work well, and usually some retouching redresses any excess where too much shading has occurred, but also I figure I haven't lost much, starting again is much easier on one figure than on a larger subject like a tank or truck.

cheers
Neil
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Posted: Monday, February 25, 2013 - 10:21 AM UTC
Sorry to take so long in responding to the comments but I've been in a rush to finish and base a few models for an upcoming show.

@Garry_007 - Thanks for dropping in and showing an interest. I can appreciate the eye strain for someone that might not build 1/72 very often. If you think this is small you should try the PaK 35/36 that comes with this kit or the MACO FlaK 43! This one is HUGE compared to them.

@Korpse - Neil, thanks and I used the cork in the finishing process because there is no way to really hold this delicate piece effectively. I have and do use the cork for bases but I'm not too sure about what I'll use for this one's base.

Care to share the secret about what kind of washes you use? Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. As I state earlier, figures are brand new to me and I'm kind of lost as to where to begin.

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The gun for all intents and purposes is now done with the application of the decal and all that that ensues. I took some time today to work on the third figure for the base but it is slow going. I have three possibilities for bases but haven't decided which to use. I'm hoping that the final figure will be assembled tomorrow and perhaps start on the base. I should have pictures then.

Thanks for commenting.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Monday, February 25, 2013 - 05:50 PM UTC
Hi Jan


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Care to share the secret about what kind of washes you use? Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. As I state earlier, figures are brand new to me and I'm kind of lost as to where to begin.



happy to share what I do, no secrets, and its quite easy to get the effects I get, though I am not laying any claims to being a great figure painter.

In my opinion its about impossible to paint realistic eyes on a 1/72 or 1/76 scale figure. An eye is fractions of a millimetre in braille scale and if in real light conditions eyes are often squinted, variously shaped, and rarely completely round in appearance or 'popping' out, so to try to paint eyes can result in a cartoonish look (to me anyway). Similar problems apply to other parts of these small figures where light conditions can create lighter and darker areas on people in 1/1 scale in real light conditions, but is very hard to replicate in this scale.

First up I simply painted the flesh, clothing, footwear (and where no head gear), the hair. Sometimes I paint with enamels sometimes acrylics, sometimes both types of paint on the same figure. Main thing is to paint neatly 'within the lines'. No shading occurs at this stage.

I have found a wash works well, as the pigment is extremely fine and makes its way naturally into the recessed areas such as around eyes, between fingers, into creases in clothing etc.

I sometimes use artists oil paint, diluted in thinners, but this can lift the paint, so have more of less stopped using this method..

I find that acrylic washes work best, whether used over enamel or acrylics. I've found Citadel brand to be very good (sold by Warhammer shops). Agrax Earthshade works best for me, its a kind of dark brown, & is what I used on the figures with the H-39 tanks. Devlan Mud is roughly equivalent but is discontinued.

Another good colour for highlighting washes is black 'Nuln Oil' works well, as does its rough equivalent 'Badab Black' which may be harder to find as seems to be discontinued.



I simply get a large soft brush, moisten it with water first, then run it all over the figure. If the wash seems to be a bit heavy, dip the brush in fresh water, & run it over the figure again to remove where it looks too heavy, usually the face. After its dried if the face is still a bit dark I use a very fine brush with flesh colour on it to highlight the areas that naturally catch the light - brow,nose, cheekbones, tip of chin. Thats it.

I later seal the whole figure with Dullcote Lacquer applied with a very soft brush over the whole figure, this also matts any shiny areas, and protects the finish.

The above method is how I painted the figures in the below post. When you have figures with very nicely sculpted faces the wash literally does all the work. With poorly sculpted figures the result will be lesser.

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/203959&page=1

For info, I have no connection with any manufacturers or suppliers, everything I model and use is paid for by me, at full advertised price.

(NOTE - if washing armour slightly different rules apply, brush the whole vehicle with clear clean water first, and work quickly to spread the wash how you want it, as it dries fairly quickly).


cheers
Neil
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - 03:59 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Sorry to take so long in responding to the comments but I've been in a rush to finish and base a few models for an upcoming show.

@Garry_007 - Thanks for dropping in and showing an interest. I can appreciate the eye strain for someone that might not build 1/72 very often. If you think this is small you should try the PaK 35/36 that comes with this kit or the MACO FlaK 43! This one is HUGE compared to them.
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No problem at all and I still can't imagine since I already try the 1/35 for both type of AT guns. Performing work on that scale, I'm already suffer for losses: broken parts, missing parts, etc. How come if I perform them on 1/72?? Oh noooo... of course I really understand for what you mean that they're so HUUGEEE

So far, you already perform excellent touches on such AT and figures! Can't wait for your finished job and would you please to not forget to share the photo of your local scale hobby shows?

Cheers


Garry
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - 08:20 AM UTC
@Korpse - Neil,

Thanks for your input and taking the time to share the info. We have a shop that sells the Citadel brand so I'll stop in there later and see what they have in stock. As with all things in this hobby, I'm sure that it's going to take me some practice to get it right.

@Garry_007 - Garry,

Your comments are always welcome and it's getting closer to being finished (and it better be because the show is this Sunday (my time). ;-)

As far as shows go, within about two hours drive of me there are no less than seven larger shows. If show pictures interest you, you might like to check out the Photo Feature that I did here on Armorama of the BuffCon 29 Model Show, that was held last year in Buffalo, New York. There is also a companion feature dealing with aircraft at the show that appears on the Aeroscale site.

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More progress with the last crew ('B') figure that I intend to use at this time. All the equipment except a weapon is on the figure. Arms, head and helmet yet to be added after some preliminary painting.







And now for progress on the gun. I've tinkered with the base ideas and decided to try the cork method suggested by Neil L.(Korpse). It's two layers of cork sheet cut into an oval. Here's a couple of shots to give an idea.





Here's a couple of the sides of the finished gun.





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Posted: Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 07:24 AM UTC
The finishing of several projects has kept me away from this build but I worked on it yesterday and this morning and decided to take a break and post an update on this one. The third crewman is done and everything is attached to the base. I'd call this one about 98% done for my purposes. Only thing remaining to do is to sprinkle some ground cover on the base and whatever touch-ups need to be done (ie - the boots on the gun commander).

First, a birds eye view.



The project from various angles and elevations.









Some lower angles.







While there is a five man crew I'm only using three at this time. There is room for the other two and I will add them at some point but due to show category restrictions, I've had to stick with three.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Sunday, March 03, 2013 - 02:46 AM UTC
Excellent work with the crew. A scene very convincing.

Best regards.

Pedro.
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Posted: Sunday, March 03, 2013 - 01:00 PM UTC
Pedro,

I'm very happy that you like the figures and I changed them somewhat today, as well as the base. The latter received some ground cover and I'll put up the finished pictures in a day or so. Thanks for taking the time to comment, I appreciate it.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - 05:46 AM UTC
After a frenzied period of activity on this and several other builds, I am going to call this build complete. This was my first attempt at painting figures and it has proved to be quite challenging and a definite learning experience. Special thanks to Neil L.(Korpse) for his invaluable assistance/suggestions in methods of finishing them.

In the final stages I applied a minimal amount of ground cover to "set the mood." As with a few of my recent builds, some artistic license was used in the choice of colours that were used to enhance the look to the naked eye. Here is an image from the model show in which it was entered this past Sunday.



Obviously the lighting conditions, camera settings and general situation were not conducive to photography. Next up are the pictures of the gun and crew prior to the show. They were taken with macro filters.









At a bit of a lower angle:





After seeing the finished results of this build I must say that this kit, while not without faults, can produce a superb model. Hopefully Dragon will grace Braille modellers with similar kits and especially figures in the future. Comments and questions welcomed.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - 02:09 PM UTC
Jan,

I was at the HeritageCon show this past weekend and I saw this build as well as a few of your others. In fact, I took about 60 pictures at the show and some were of your builds I'm sure! They all looked far better in person than the Picts you post. That's not to say that the finish one's here aren't good, just somewhat different. I didn't stay for the awards so I hope that this gun did well as I thought it looked great.

Regards,
AJ
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Posted: Thursday, March 07, 2013 - 04:48 AM UTC
@weathering_one - AJ,

Thanks for taking the time to comment and confirming that a camera doesn't always capture true reality. Modesty prevents me from actually saying what this model got but, it did receive an award.

I took well over 100 pictures at the show and intend to do a photo feature about it. I'd like to see what photos you have and perhaps discuss the possibility of including some of yours in the feature (with proper credit being given to you in the write-up). Please PM me to discuss this issue further.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 - 07:09 AM UTC
Perhaps a part of this kit that many may forget is the little PaK 35/36. Due to circumstances, I have ended up with no less than four PaK 35/36 guns (including the one from this kit). While working on completing the one for the Dragon Kfz 70 kit I decided to do a production line sort of thing and complete the one in this kit at the same time. However, since I still have two figures that came with the kit I have also started working on them, in particular the kneeling figure (Figure 'E').

The basic leg halves were joined. There was a bit of flash and where the torso joins, it needed to be sanded flat.





The upper body part has a couple of wicked attachment points that will need sanding as well as the area that attaches to the lower body.



And it next to the built PaK 36.



Next I turned a bit of attention to the gun and after some clean up and trimming down of a few somewhat oversized items on the diminutive PaK, I coated it with an appropriately lightened Tamiya XF-63 (German Grey). After that I attached the wheels and found that the fit of the axles into the wheels was extremely loose. I ended up using gap filling CA glue to finally get them affixed. The only decal that comes for these guns is the kill rings on the muzzle. Obviously, this gun has had some success in its life. If you build this model and wish to use the rings, be forewarned that you'll need some patience. The decal off the sheet does not want to bend around the barrel and I had to use large amounts and applications of Micro Set setting solution to get the rings to curve around. To get the ring ends to properly meet was another chore.

During waiting times while working on the gun I started adding equipment to the figure. It was at this point that I realized that the figure, that is meant to be part of the PaK 40 crew, might work well as a crewman for the PaK35/36. Here are pictures of the gun and the figure with all equipment (except his rifle) added. Builders should also note that when construction these figures one has to be careful to position that equipment so as not to interfere with attaching the arms later.









The last figure (Figure 'D') is in a standing pose and meant to be carrying a shell for the PaK 40. I'll be giving some thought as to how it might be incorporated with the smaller gun. Comments and questions welcome.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Saturday, March 30, 2013 - 05:36 AM UTC
Glad to see this one continuing and I got to say, (if anyone hasn't already) it's like three kits in one. That picture with the little pak gun really shows off the details of the model and it should look great with this recent figure.

Regards,
AJ
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