Really start of building next week:
firsts tests are really good !
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French VBCI Heller 1/35
pilote14
Joined: November 01, 2010
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2012 - 06:42 AM UTC
Firts pics from France ! lol
Really start of building next week:
firsts tests are really good !
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Really start of building next week:
firsts tests are really good !
a+
jwest21
Joined: October 16, 2006
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2012 - 10:11 AM UTC
Looks cool! I would like to see how the RPG nets are made
Mox1983
Joined: August 27, 2010
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2012 - 05:26 PM UTC
I think the nets are made with mesh on a plastic frame. Looks like it has a basic interior as well.
ponpon400
Joined: September 24, 2005
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2012 - 06:35 PM UTC
unfortunatly a lot of very bad points with this kit
pilote14
Joined: November 01, 2010
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2012 - 08:46 PM UTC
sorry but i'll not build the RPG-net. I want realised an ONU model on Lebanon...yes it's a mesh on plastic frame (pics this afternoon...)
Frenchy
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2012 - 09:09 PM UTC
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unfortunatly a lot of very bad points with this kit
Could you elaborate on that ?
Frenchy
ponpon400
Joined: September 24, 2005
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2012 - 10:44 PM UTC
it should be very long,but look i.e the back plate on the photos above,and u can see the galix brackets are totaly wrong
Frenchy
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2012 - 10:54 PM UTC
OK. At least this should make the AM guys happy. But the kit appears to be light years away from Heller usual production...
Frenchy
Frenchy
seb43
Joined: August 30, 2005
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 12:33 AM UTC
Well it is a nice kit.
Quality is increasing at Heller. Price is cheap.
And just to explain to non French modeler how we react, please let me quote Louis XIV
"When I gave a gift to someone, I make one frustrated guy and hundred of jealous ones"
Never happy in France. So just build it and TGI exist in plastic
Let wait for the AM for the wheels and PE guys for the RPG net
Quality is increasing at Heller. Price is cheap.
And just to explain to non French modeler how we react, please let me quote Louis XIV
"When I gave a gift to someone, I make one frustrated guy and hundred of jealous ones"
Never happy in France. So just build it and TGI exist in plastic
Let wait for the AM for the wheels and PE guys for the RPG net
tanknick22
Joined: February 19, 2009
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 01:05 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Firts pics from France ! lol
Really start of building next week:
firsts tests are really good !
a+
That would make a nice companion vehicle to go with my tamiya Le Clerc
Frenchy
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 02:24 AM UTC
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That would make a nice companion vehicle to go with my tamiya Le Clerc
(thanks to Olivier for the picture
)Frenchy
pilote14
Joined: November 01, 2010
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 03:55 AM UTC
thanks for your comments
really french people are never satisfied lol
Actual start installation:
For realize the RPG-net ... personally not convinced ...
The front plate "Lebanon" and that of the box:
The turret (upper and lower parts unglued: bishops to put in place)
Trains running really well detailed but will be hidden ...
After these 2 hours of editing, I think Heller s is set to modern standards (HobbyBoss, Academy and other, even better than Panda!)
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really french people are never satisfied lol
Actual start installation:
For realize the RPG-net ... personally not convinced ...
The front plate "Lebanon" and that of the box:
The turret (upper and lower parts unglued: bishops to put in place)
Trains running really well detailed but will be hidden ...
After these 2 hours of editing, I think Heller s is set to modern standards (HobbyBoss, Academy and other, even better than Panda!)
a +
steph2102
Joined: April 23, 2011
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 05:16 AM UTC
OLIVIER nice montage. I'm not a fan of modern armored, but you had me convinced to buy it. impatient to see more
steph
steph
seb43
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 05:54 AM UTC
Keep it coming
And for the net, wait for PE guys
And for the net, wait for PE guys
bison126
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 06:15 AM UTC
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it should be very long,but look i.e the back plate on the photos above,and u can see the galix brackets are totaly wrong
That's a bit short to tell the kit is full of mistakes. As modelers we are supposed to be patient so you can elaborate and thus help us all avoiding big mistakes.
As I haven't the kit yet, it will sure save me some precious time comparing the kit parts and real parts pictures.
From the pictures I saw, the point that really annoys me more is the RPG-net rendition but I don't think PE guys will do really better. PE is flat and usually too thin. But never say never.
Olivier
Frenchy
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 06:25 AM UTC
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From the pictures I saw, the point that really annoys me more is the RPG-net rendition but I don't think PE guys will do really better. PE is flat and usually too thin.
The problem's the same with replicating Hesco wire mesh...
Frenchy
HermannB
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 08:31 AM UTC
Hi there,
I wonder what the vehicles gun. 20 mm Oerlikon or 25 mm Bushmaster?
Hans-Hermann
I wonder what the vehicles gun. 20 mm Oerlikon or 25 mm Bushmaster?
Hans-Hermann
Frenchy
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 08:36 AM UTC
The VBCI is fitted with a 25mm GIAT Industries M811 dual-feed autocannon.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product785.html
HTH
Frenchy
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product785.html
HTH
Frenchy
101yann
Joined: February 04, 2006
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Posted: Sunday, December 16, 2012 - 01:05 AM UTC
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it should be very long,but look i.e the back plate on the photos above,and u can see the galix brackets are totaly wrong
Heller's rendition of the Galix system on the rear plate may be a little simplified (it seems a few bolts are missing for one thing), but to my eye it doesn't look as though it is "totally wrong", a part just needs to be added to make it complete.
Heller photos show this clearly :
As for the anti-rpg nets, hopefully AM companies should be able to come up with fairly convincing PE sets.
Replicating the fabric and straps that are wrapped around the frames will be more of a challenge...
pilote14
Joined: November 01, 2010
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Posted: Sunday, December 16, 2012 - 03:57 AM UTC
yann it's A18 and A19 , not glue yet...lol
anyway on versions Lebanon no RPG-net ...
No safe neck, no bags for ECR, Lot no ^ edge, not underbody protection transmission (G1), no carrier lateral antennas (G17) to follow ...
Vehicle drive up and adjusting ... impecable bonding, the wheels missing ...
front view
rear view
Turret
few putty for these
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anyway on versions Lebanon no RPG-net ...
No safe neck, no bags for ECR, Lot no ^ edge, not underbody protection transmission (G1), no carrier lateral antennas (G17) to follow ...
Vehicle drive up and adjusting ... impecable bonding, the wheels missing ...
front view
rear view
Turret
few putty for these
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ponpon400
Joined: September 24, 2005
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Posted: Sunday, December 16, 2012 - 03:57 AM UTC
heller is oblique and dont cover the whole back plate,ral one is perpendicular and cver the plate,hard to rectify
bison126
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Posted: Sunday, December 16, 2012 - 05:19 AM UTC
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heller is oblique and dont cover the whole back plate,ral one is perpendicular and cver the plate,hard to rectify
OK now I understand what you meant. Probably Blast will provide some bits of resin to fix this. But with a good razor saw I guess that the average modeler should be able to remove the original part and modify it with some extra work.
HermannB
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Posted: Sunday, December 16, 2012 - 06:18 AM UTC
Hi Frenchy,
o.k. it`s obviouly a French gun. But I wonder if a turned fluted barrel of the Bushmaster can be a replacement for the plastic barrel?
Hans-Hermann
o.k. it`s obviouly a French gun. But I wonder if a turned fluted barrel of the Bushmaster can be a replacement for the plastic barrel?
Hans-Hermann
seb43
Joined: August 30, 2005
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Posted: Sunday, December 16, 2012 - 06:22 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi Frenchy,
o.k. it`s obviouly a French gun. But I wonder if a turned fluted barrel of the Bushmaster can be a replacement for the plastic barrel?
Hans-Hermann
I will do it for sure
101yann
Joined: February 04, 2006
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Posted: Sunday, December 16, 2012 - 06:53 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi Frenchy,
o.k. it`s obviouly a French gun. But I wonder if a turned fluted barrel of the Bushmaster can be a replacement for the plastic barrel?
Hans-Hermann
hmm doesn't look like this will work :
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