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Dragon 1:35 5cm PAK 38
165thspc
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 09:06 AM UTC
Here is what the third wheel looks like when carried in the stowed, towing position.
robw_uk
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 09:08 AM UTC
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How about adding that third wheel (of course it means buying a second kit.(
if i had a spare wheel I would mount it... what HAS caught my eye in that photo is the wire stretched across the points on the front - I assume to allow camouflage to be applied... tempting....
robw_uk
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 09:09 AM UTC
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Here is what the third wheel looks like when carried in the stowed, towing position.
and that explains why the hooks on the Sd.Kfz 10 etc looked "wrong".... will need that to tow it
165thspc
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 09:09 AM UTC
Here's my rendition of the PAK38 with towing wheel. The fork is scratch built and the wheel is from a second Dragon kit.
165thspc
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 09:16 AM UTC
You are correct about the wire strung to allow the attachment of local camo. The bolts that separate the multi-layered shield plates have a hole through the tip so the wire can be strung between them.
165thspc
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 09:19 AM UTC
Here is the gun being manhandled by four guys. Over flat pavement it wasn't too bad but over rough ground it could still be a major undertaking.
robw_uk
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 09:21 AM UTC
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You are correct about the wire strung to allow the attachment of local camo. The bolts that separate the multi-layered shield plates have a hole through the tip so the wire can be strung between them.
brilliant thanks - dont suppose you have any good (large) photos of the gun in action (relatively close up) so I can judge wear/tear. Have a few and ideas around chipping on the plates, on the legs where the crew sit, the handles, armour edges perhaps..... just after some general ideas
165thspc
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 09:21 AM UTC
165thspc
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 09:23 AM UTC
Sorry about the soft focus on this photo.
165thspc
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 09:27 AM UTC
What does one do with a spare PAK38 once you've stolen the wheels off of it? AND also how do you use up a lot of spare gunnery figures?
robw_uk
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 09:29 AM UTC
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What does one do with a spare PAK38 once you've stolen the wheels off of it? AND also how do you use up a lot of spare gunnery figures?
cheers - in fact thats next have the Italeri Demag D7 with pak 38 plus eduard set.... starting it next weekend....
165thspc
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 09:32 AM UTC
Sorry, but as too weathering, chipping, etc. This unit was restored by the Patton Volunteers years ago so it was repainted at that time and removed from the museum only rarely.
165thspc
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 09:38 AM UTC
Compare the quality of the Dragon PAK38 with the one that comes on the Demag, you might want to swap out the Dragon gun for the other.
165thspc
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 09:39 AM UTC
I built mine before they came out with the kit version of the Demag with 5cm AT gun.
robw_uk
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 09:40 AM UTC
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Compare the quality of the Dragon PAK38 with the one that comes on the Demag, you might want to swap out the Dragon gun for the other.
thats where the Eduard set comes in - replaces the frontal armour plus a few small pieces in the rear... was thinking of covering it up (so as per transit/stowage in bad conditions) if the gun wasnt brilliant.... we shall see
165thspc
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 09:43 AM UTC
Of course there is always another option:
p.s. If I can find it in my spares box you are welcome to the one extra Dragon wheel I have left. If you are interested.
p.s. If I can find it in my spares box you are welcome to the one extra Dragon wheel I have left. If you are interested.
robw_uk
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 09:51 AM UTC
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Of course there is always another option:
p.s. If I can find it in my spares box you are welcome to the one extra Dragon wheel I have left. If you are interested.
could be fun to fit it on this one when it is towed yes... much appreciated
165thspc
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 09:52 AM UTC
Yes, that stumped me for awhile. When I hooked the Dragon model gun with its' double hitch rings to the tow vehicle it wanted to snap the tow pintle right off. The hitch couldn't rotate vetrically.
It wasn't until I got a good look at the real thing at the Patton that I realized the Germans needed the double rings to support the fork for the third wheel but then needed a single tow ring to pull the gun with a motor vehicle.
It wasn't until I got a good look at the real thing at the Patton that I realized the Germans needed the double rings to support the fork for the third wheel but then needed a single tow ring to pull the gun with a motor vehicle.
165thspc
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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 01:29 PM UTC
Patton Museum D7 with their PAK38
FlyRight
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Posted: Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 03:46 PM UTC
Sorry, I deleted the pictures i put up thinking they were from my photo bucket page. Here they are in case someone could use them.
165thspc
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Posted: Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 11:58 PM UTC
One more shot of my finished PAK 38 with third wheel.
robw_uk
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Posted: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 07:38 PM UTC
ok - so its now matt - bit faded and the black is more grey (so Vallejo matt does give a white sheen if you paint it wrong)... gonna look to clean the wheels up but the rest is a good base for weathering - starting with fading & chipping (have some references so know what I am sort of aiming for....
robw_uk
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Posted: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 10:58 PM UTC
ok some snaps of her finished (I think anyway)... will take some "proper" ones later
165thspc
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Posted: Saturday, January 19, 2013 - 01:27 PM UTC
Just an F.Y.I. - That center sliding portion of the gun shield (looks like a tombstone sticking up out of the center top of the gun shield) should be down resting on the shaft of the barrel. It moves up and down with the barrel.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2013 - 03:42 AM UTC
Finally found a well lighted photo of the PAK 38 with third wheel attached as seen at the Patton Museum, Ft. Knox, KY.
Mike Koenig Photo: 165th Signal Photo Company
Mike Koenig Photo: 165th Signal Photo Company
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